whay are people so concerned about "bias"

[Hugh]

About a third of the topics are about political bias and of those, half are about guns and the other are about socialism.
I don't have a problem with either but I'm not American. Is it only Americans that complain about bias in this game? Because it seems that way as socialism is a dirty word in the US and guns are are sacred.
The only criticism of the game I have is that the mechanics are too simple and policies lack customizability

[Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug]

Originally posted by Tommy Wiseau:

The only criticism of the game I have is that the mechanics are too simple and policies lack customizability

I think every situation needs to be divided into different sectors
Right now I can stack banning gas powered cars, banning low mpg cars, setting fuel efficiency standards, and a few other redundant things to make it so the environment is saved based off of a bunch of laws rewritten over again.

That and I'd love to just have super basic state housing but a lot of it to remove homelessness. Like why do I have to fund state housing that just provides housing free of charge? Why can't I have a bunch of studio apartments to provide a minimum? It isn't competitive with most private houses given the fact that if you have even a low-wage job you can get a better house, it just makes it so people aren't homeless.

That and I'd love to see the vanilla game have the complexity of policies overhaul+disasters+presidential suite+FBI mod or something like that.

[Hugh]

Yeah those are pretty good ideas but it would be better if transport policies affected transport emissions rather than CO2 directly. So you couldn't continue to lower co2 or improve the environment by implementing politics past the point that vehicles are either nonexistent or completely clean.
And yeah. Many policies should be condensed together with customizability added. Fule standards, subsidies and restrictions could all be a single policy with multiple sliders and tick boxes.
You could add adjustable house size or quality to state housing and restrict it by class. So you could provide all the poor and homeless housing, or only the retired, or everyone.
Providing food stamps to everyone in your nation could be your major social policy, for example.

[jamie.santavy]

To answer the actual question I think it's just because people like to ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan and some people can't handle when the game isn't framed to fit their own personal ideologies. From an American perspective there's also a huge portion of the right wing minority that is worked up into a frenzy because you can't discriminate and spew hate speech without consequence anymore and there are more people than ever pushing back against the status quo.

In all fairness to me personally it does seem easier to find success in this game if you adopt a more socialist and liberal policy ideology. The reality is though that at least in the context of the western world and Europe that the majority of people fall into the category of middle class and below and that those people tend to align more closely with liberal and socialist ideologies if you generalize.

And just a little btw, communism and socialism are both considered dirty words in the United States and the ignorance surrounding those ideologies is astounding. No matter how pro capitalism you are if you support a humane government system with goals that involve providing assistance to the homeless, the downtrodden, or the working class you can easily be slandered as an un-American communist. As pathetic and sad as it is it's also pretty fascinating the ways the ruling class manages to maintain its control of the country

[Hugh]

Originally posted by jamie.santavy:

To answer the actual question I think it's just because people like to ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan and some people can't handle when the game isn't framed to fit their own personal ideologies. From an American perspective there's also a huge portion of the right wing minority that is worked up into a frenzy because you can't discriminate and spew hate speech without consequence anymore and there are more people than ever pushing back against the status quo.

In all fairness to me personally it does seem easier to find success in this game if you adopt a more socialist and liberal policy ideology. The reality is though that at least in the context of the western world and Europe that the majority of people fall into the category of middle class and below and that those people tend to align more closely with liberal and socialist ideologies if you generalize.

And just a little btw, communism and socialism are both considered dirty words in the United States and the ignorance surrounding those ideologies is astounding. No matter how pro capitalism you are if you support a humane government system with goals that involve providing assistance to the homeless, the downtrodden, or the working class you can easily be slandered as an un-American communist. As pathetic and sad as it is it's also pretty fascinating the ways the ruling class manages to maintain its control of the country

Thank you so much for your lengthy response.
I don’t think I personally noticed much of a bias, other than raising taxes, to solving the game. I was assassinated plenty of times by many groups, but socialism does seem to be the only easy way of dealing with poverty. But if you don’t care about that then what evs.
I personally am rather interested in US politics. It’s so archaic and it fascinates and disgusts me in equal measure. I’m constantly dumbfounded at how simplistic and dichotomic most of the US political system and discourse is. It’s like you guys seem to know nothing about electoral dynamics and are proud of it. And yet, through all the gay hating, science denying, corporate sell out and corruption which is totally legal for some reason, the single largest group are the none voters and unaffiliated. US politics is almost like ancient Rome

[Peen]

No matter what the developer does, someone will scream bias. Politics are incredibly complex and the developer can't add every little element of it in. The policies can't be made to exactly replicate what an individual believes should be done and the issues can't be made to exactly replicate reality. So, naturally, some people will say it's biased because it doesn't conform to their specific idea of what the game should be and how the world works.

[Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug]

Originally posted by Peen:

No matter what the developer does, someone will scream bias. Politics are incredibly complex and the developer can't add every little element of it in. The policies can't be made to exactly replicate what an individual believes should be done and the issues can't be made to exactly replicate reality. So, naturally, some people will say it's biased because it doesn't conform to their specific idea of what the game should be and how the world works.

The best we can do is mod the game
There are plenty of "bias fixers" that buff libertarianism, socialism, capitalism, social democracy, big guv, smol guv, #backtheblue, popo r EVUL, guns protect us, guns MURDER US, whatever mods. If there's not then people can just make them.

[Peen]

Originally posted by Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug:

Originally posted by Peen:

No matter what the developer does, someone will scream bias. Politics are incredibly complex and the developer can't add every little element of it in. The policies can't be made to exactly replicate what an individual believes should be done and the issues can't be made to exactly replicate reality. So, naturally, some people will say it's biased because it doesn't conform to their specific idea of what the game should be and how the world works.

The best we can do is mod the game
There are plenty of "bias fixers" that buff libertarianism, socialism, capitalism, social democracy, big guv, smol guv, #backtheblue, popo r EVUL, guns protect us, guns MURDER US, whatever mods. If there's not then people can just make them.

This is true, but it's also very hard to create a version that has "no bias." Someone will always think whatever someone else does is wrong because they have a different worldview and theory how the world works.

[Hugh]

Originally posted by Peen:

No matter what the developer does, someone will scream bias. Politics are incredibly complex and the developer can't add every little element of it in. The policies can't be made to exactly replicate what an individual believes should be done and the issues can't be made to exactly replicate reality. So, naturally, some people will say it's biased because it doesn't conform to their specific idea of what the game should be and how the world works.

Excellent

[thelizardofdoom]

As an American I can tell you: Americans have no interest in reality. Our current president publicly accused our former of not being a citizen. We have a man running for a high level government position that had a reputation of sexual relations with a 14 year old when he is 30.

It is generally better to just completely disregard our opinion regarding anything political.

[Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug]

Originally posted by House MD:

As an American I can tell you: Americans have no interest in reality. Our current president publicly accused our former of not being a citizen. We have a man running for a high level government position that had a reputation of sexual relations with a 14 year old when he is 30.

It is generally better to just completely disregard our opinion regarding anything political.

I'm gonna disavow you right here and now because you don't speak for everyone

[Lynn]

Originally posted by Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug:

Originally posted by House MD:

As an American I can tell you: Americans have no interest in reality. Our current president publicly accused our former of not being a citizen. We have a man running for a high level government position that had a reputation of sexual relations with a 14 year old when he is 30.

It is generally better to just completely disregard our opinion regarding anything political.

I'm gonna disavow you right here and now because you don't speak for everyone

What we have here is a deep and profound polarization. House MD is speaking about a minority party In the USA. So yes, he (she) speaks only about a minority. Truth/honor will correct these things in time.

Just a minor detail. The particular Senate candidate was accused of this assault at age 32, and has since been accused further. The majority holds nothing but disdain for the alleged crimes. Again...time will correct. Thank you.

[MuthaF]

Originally posted by Lynn:

Originally posted by Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug:

I'm gonna disavow you right here and now because you don't speak for everyone

What we have here is a deep and profound polarization. House MD is speaking about a minority party In the USA. So yes, he (she) speaks only about a minority. Truth/honor will correct these things in time.

Just a minor detail. The particular Senate candidate was accused of this assault at age 32, and has since been accused further. The majority holds nothing but disdain for the alleged crimes. Again...time will correct. Thank you.

..time doesnt do anything, only ages you.

Only people change societies... leaving socio-political stuff "to fix itself by time" is tantamount to to swallowing a poison and then go "sleep it off"...

If you work for political/ruling class, you doing a fine job.. If not...

[Lynn]

Originally posted by MuthaF:

..time doesnt do anything, only ages you.

Only people change societies... leaving socio-political stuff "to fix itself by time" is tantamount to to swallowing a poison and then go "sleep it off"...

If you work for political/ruling class, you doing a fine job.. If not...

You're kidding me right? First of all, if you care to read things correctly, I said TRUTH and HONOR will correct this. It is nonsense to assume that I was saying that "time all by itself" will correct this.

[MuthaF]

And truth and honor dont do anything either since they are abstract constructs :P

My point is, your whole post comes out as : aint my fault, hands-off, others people will fix it in time, somehow... if u didint meant it that way - aint exactly my fault you expressed it ...dubiously, now is it? :P

Some problems cant be let to wither and collapse on their own absurdity - potential collateral damage and its actual impact costs are way too high..

[Lynn]

So...in your understanding, "truth" and "honor" are abstract constructs, that exist by themselves in a vaccuum, and are not, by necessity, something that are carried out through integrity and commitment of human beings?

Also, I don't see where you are seeing me as saying that none of what has happened in this country is my fault. But, since you brought it up, it isn't.

I don't know how you think I could be speaking for the ruling party. The values (truth, honor, etc.) of the majority of this country, will turn this disgrace of the minority, with their support for liars and abusers, around. I am counting on the character and values of the majority of this country--myself included--to turn it around. It will take time. There was nothing dubious about my comment.