Good but, not that good.

[Proff_Chaos]

I'm sure this has been brought up many times, but I feel the need to voice my opinion as it will determine whether or not this game and I will remain friends.

I've purchased a track and a DTM pack and have enjoyed this game so far and would like to see it improve as I'm definately enjoying the rise in Sim Racing popularity, and we as enthusiasts are benefiting. However, there are a lot of choices available because of this and I just don't see how this content (Cars and Tracks) is worth more than Assetto Corsa DLC or Project Cars DLC given what they offer vs RaceRoom. If I'm not mistaken, the physics are borrowed from rFactor (ISI). Not that it matters, but basically, RaceRoom isn't offering anything special that would justify spending almost 20 bucks for Nords when AC gave Nords along with several cars for 16 bucks just as a comparison.(The same example could be used for Project Cars) Like I said, RaceRoom is good, but not that good.

I would like to spend more money on content for this game but I live in Canada and your prices are European based so when I make a purchase, it is converted to the U.S. dollar. I know Global currency isn't under your control lol, but when it costs me over 5 dollars just to purchase the equivalent of 249 vrp then it just doesn't make sense. ( Is Sector3 Studios aware of what content costs for a Canadian customer?)

Of course, to Sector3 Studios they may very well believe that their rendition of a vehicle is worth more than anyone else's, just like my car in the driveway is worth 3 times as much as anyone else with the exact same car, but it doesn't mean that I will get 3 times as much for it. Unless I'm missing something, I don't understand how RaceRoom will be competitive without lowering the price of their content considerably.

Are most of your customers based in Europe and therefore you are happy with the way things are, or will I just have to wait by my internet for a "Black Friday Blowout" type sale or when the game is too old and lost it's value?

I apologize for the long winded post, but I'm interested enough in RaceRoom to write it, but also prepared to accept the fact that I won't be able to afford it. Before anyone reminds me that the game is free to begin with, allow me to use another example. Assetto Corsa is sold for $49.99 and comes with many cars and tracks included. I would be happy investing a similar amount in RaceRoom for the equivalent amount of content.

[Chocoloco]

I understand that the exchange rate in your case makes things more expensive. Apart from that you can get pretty much all the content for ~ 80 € when you stick to the most recent packs of the seasoned content. And that's a lot more content than Assetto Corsa has to offer overall, not to speak of the quality. Imo R3E has the best overall package when taking things like sounds, graphics, new physics and forcefeedback, plus amount of content into account. At the end of last year there was a black friday sale where you could get all content for the price of a regular full price game. If you like to wait I'm sure you will get the same offer at the end of the year again. Otherwise the cheapest option is to buy vrp points from here[www.raceroomstore.com] and then get the content you like. When buying make sure you make several purchases and don't buy the same content in different packages in a single purchase. This will grant you additional discounts for already owned content. I agree that the store model is a total mess and highly confusing for people not familiar with it but the content is actually a lot cheaper than it appears.

Indeed the majority of R3E players is based in Europe, particularly Germany it seems.

If you want to get in touch with the devs directly I suggest you post on the official forums[forum.sector3studios.com] where you will get a response quickly, Steam forums don't seem to be watched by them as they are pretty dead anyway.

[Mr.Herbi]

you didn´t need every content. Only 1-2 cars of each class. and if you want to play multiplayer you only need 3-5 tracks to start with. the popular ones like nordschleife, spa, hockenheim

To start with, i highly recommend you the GTR3 and WTCC class. take enough time to test all cars before buying.

20-30 bugs and you should be able to join the most popular mp server

[Andy Blade]

It is pricey but it is imo very good fun also canadian ! Kinda gotta choose wisely and pick sales either in steam or in game store , worth noting if steam have good sale such as legends dlc get it and then if you buy in game store some pack that has say nurburgring in it would get discounted because you own it , does not get discounted if you already own nurburgring in game purchase then say bought steam legend dlc track does not get discounted ! Hope that makes sense kinda ?

[Maddawg]

Furthermore, you can get vRP discounted packs here: https://www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24

[Martin Edmunds |ESR|]

20$ ? Like someone said above depends on your currency.
It's actually 2 track Nurb and nords , plus quite a few car from a variety of class.
I personally think it's worth it.

There is no doubt that r3e charges more on content if you are only purchasing from steam. If you want to save buy large vrp pack then purchase when there is sale in the raceroom store and don't by whole pack. Just get the car you want in a class.
It pays to be smart about each purchase.

[Cynical Cheese Cake]

I can understand your feelings of R3E, I enjoyed this game a lot but the business model has always been the main problem of the game. It felt like the business model is made for people who are content with 1 car per class with a handful of tracks which I say they are not enjoying this game to the fullest. There are many fun and well designed cars in the game that I'll recommend anyone to buy and try them.

As other had said, head to the vRP store to buy vRP in bulks so you'll save quite a considerable amount. Since you own the DTM pack, you do have a decent amount of tracks to begin with so from now on, just buy whatever content you like straight from the store. The packs are cheaper so I think go for those are better than buying content individually because the discounts for owned content isnt good. I spend about $80 so far, about the same with pcars and AC heading towards that price, I own probably more than half the content of the game except the newer content.

R3E is a great game, it just the business model that is holding it back. If not, I think it would easily be a popular game due to the interesting content it has.

[Andy Blade]

Hey proff sent message about group we race in

[Martin Edmunds |ESR|]

Originally posted by Proff_Chaos:

I hope they keep improving on this game, because I was a little too quick to judge. However, I still feel they should change the way they offer their content so it's less confusing for potential customers as it drove me to write a bad review in the beginning but I came to realize that once you purchase a pack ( or a car) you can buy the livery for another class at a huge discount so you can do different competitions. For example, I had a BMW Z4 GT3 and I purchased the ADAC Masters 2015 livery for 1 dollar. I still stand firm on the price issue when it comes to the tracks though, as I like to race solo (hotlapping) and the tracks are too expensive..Period. They should at least offer more "Track Packs" or DLC at a more reasonable price if you buy a bundle....The "American Track Pack" just doesn't cut it. Anyways, I understand now why the R3E road warriors defend the game as they do and try to convince others that the pricing isn't that bad if you purchase wisely ( but they shouldn't of put that on the fans, they should make it more friendly and less confusing)

I would also like to say that the replay system is the best I've seen. I find myself playing around with it more than I race lately, lol. It's smooth and gorgeous, with countless possibilities for the photo junkies. The Nordschleife is fantastic, I like it better than the Assetto Corsa version. ( I really hope no fellow AC fanboys read this lol.)

I was mistaken, Sector3 Studios didn't make a good game, they made a great game. They need to take another look at their pricing and content system, so it attracts more enthusiasts.

I agree,
Back in 2013 when this came out I could not believe this was Simbin .. My favorite dev . I was shocked and swore off the game. Then I picked dtm 2013 on sale and realized how good this actually was. Since simbin became sector 3 the game is leaps ahead of what it was. The early review are still hurting this game.

[Chocoloco]

Originally posted by MeMotS:

Originally posted by Proff_Chaos:

I hope they keep improving on this game, because I was a little too quick to judge. However, I still feel they should change the way they offer their content so it's less confusing for potential customers as it drove me to write a bad review in the beginning but I came to realize that once you purchase a pack ( or a car) you can buy the livery for another class at a huge discount so you can do different competitions. For example, I had a BMW Z4 GT3 and I purchased the ADAC Masters 2015 livery for 1 dollar. I still stand firm on the price issue when it comes to the tracks though, as I like to race solo (hotlapping) and the tracks are too expensive..Period. They should at least offer more "Track Packs" or DLC at a more reasonable price if you buy a bundle....The "American Track Pack" just doesn't cut it. Anyways, I understand now why the R3E road warriors defend the game as they do and try to convince others that the pricing isn't that bad if you purchase wisely ( but they shouldn't of put that on the fans, they should make it more friendly and less confusing)

I would also like to say that the replay system is the best I've seen. I find myself playing around with it more than I race lately, lol. It's smooth and gorgeous, with countless possibilities for the photo junkies. The Nordschleife is fantastic, I like it better than the Assetto Corsa version. ( I really hope no fellow AC fanboys read this lol.)

I was mistaken, Sector3 Studios didn't make a good game, they made a great game. They need to take another look at their pricing and content system, so it attracts more enthusiasts.

I agree,
Back in 2013 when this came out I could not believe this was Simbin .. My favorite dev . I was shocked and swore off the game. Then I picked dtm 2013 on sale and realized how good this actually was. Since simbin became sector 3 the game is leaps ahead of what it was. The early review are still hurting this game.

The game still gets lots of bad reviews. Why, I don't know. Seems to be the downside of f2p. Every douchebag tries out the game, plays for 0,2 hours and writes a negative review like "can't steer, sh*t game". There's lot's of these every week, plus those criticising the sales model (which I at least understand, that's the publisher's own fault)

[tonygee]

The people who enjoy the game just laugh off the haters
We are happy we dont get to race with them
I personally think its so good
Dont really race other titles for a while
Raceroom Rocks

[Hammerhead]

I've bought most of my content on heavy discount. Watch the "discounted content" tab in the store.

[Proff_Chaos]

Originally posted by Hammerhead:

I've bought most of my content on heavy discount. Watch the "discounted content" tab in the store.

Yup, that's pretty much all you can do. It doesn't look like there will be any Steam sales other than Black Friday etc due to the cut Steam takes off the top, from what I've been told.

[LokiD1978]

I AGREE its good but....... needs the sim aspects added rather than being obsessed about making a buck. Collisions with Ai are horrendous one tap send you in a spin, physics, tyre wear temps wear does it exist?! lol dynamic track conditions cmon. its just a very good simcade game to me. i do put it between pcars and AC.

[Martin Edmunds |ESR|]

Originally posted by LokiDHB:

I AGREE its good but....... needs the sim aspects added rather than being obsessed about making a buck. Collisions with Ai are horrendous one tap send you in a spin, physics, tyre wear temps wear does it exist?! lol dynamic track conditions cmon. its just a very good simcade game to me. i do put it between pcars and AC.

Really Msportdan?? You are back again at it, I though you were over this game after crying again in the sector 3 forum for whatever reason it was at that time and yet here you are again here calling it simcade.. What's next floaty center oscillating ffb , over power center force .. Give it up


For those who don't know what I'm taking about.
https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/simracingsystem.5305/reply&quote=73128

[Ser]

good god Dan.

Love the game
hate the game
love the game
really hate the game

At least steam is more the playground for you