Why devs refuse to give us a second save file in the future?

[-Rejit-]

I was surfing the official forums of Temtem and discovered this thread about a second normal save file being a dismissed suggestion:
https://www.playtemtem.com/forums/threads/let-us-choose-between-nuzlocke-and-normal-for-our-2nd-character-slot.1225/#post-8163

First, I would like to say that I love the game and understand that they are an indie company, and don't have a subscription or monetization model to sustain themselves at the moment.
But with the huge sales they had on the game (and probably a lot more when the game finally releases on every platform) and through good implementation on cosmetics in the future, they could make a pretty sustainable game. In the end, if they don't think in a way to sustain themselves for the server costs, Temtem is going to close their servers pretty soon after release.

Going to the topic, why would I bother playing the game in this state? I will probably have a worst experience than in the final release of the game and if I have to restart to make a new campaign with a friend or when they leave early acces, I would lose all the time spent on making perfect Tems and the progress so far. Resetting for good my save file is out of the question then. Also tie this with:
https://www.playtemtem.com/forums/threads/increase-the-amount-of-temtem-storage.5062/
Space for 300 temtem for a game that is going to have 161. Space constraints too yay

I am not entirely against charging for an extra save slot or something like a Temtembank (Pokebank) to keep my Temtems, but telling me to buy another copy for 31€ for an extra save slot? Just no.
I don't care about a second save slot only for Nuzlocke, just give us the option to make a normal run on that as well.

I know they have other tasks at hand now, and I am not asking to make this any time soon, but I am very dissapointed on their views on this. How much space take Temtems on servers anyway? Or the game lacks optimization or I don't know how that is hardly a problem.

PD: Maybe a rework the thread when I'm less salty

[-Rejit-]

I suppose that Ironman mode is Nuzlocke. If that's the case I already know about it and talked here: "I don't care about a second save slot only for Nuzlocke, just gives the option to make a normal run on that as well." Ironman can hold essentially the same data, so why not give us the option to pick which one we want?

[Stormy Dawn]

I agree.

I don't pretend to know how to run a business or the expenditures that come with running one, but I do find it awfully convenient that data constraints would be that bad to prevent users from having a second profile.

For one, they can charge for it. I can think of many people, myself included, that would pay for a one time additional fee for a second profile. Charge like $5 to $10 and it's yours for the life of the game. I highly doubt it would cost them more than that per character's potential data storage.

Otherwise they can certainly cover the cost in other ways.

This for me is a bigger concern than just my desire to have another character profile, to me it's a sign that the developers haven't really thought about their long term investment into this game. Right now they are relying solely on what funding is left from their Kickstarter and sales of the Early Access. Sales from future Early Access, and eventually full retail sales, isn't going to be enough to sustain this game long term, if they aren't going to supplement revenue with other ventures.

I don't need to know what they are planning, but I'd like to at least know that they have thought about this potential issue and have plans for the future. Otherwise, it makes me not really want to play this game long term if I'm just going to end up wasting my time.

[-Rejit-]

"To me it's a sign that the developers haven't really thought about their long term investment into this game" Exactly my other concern with the game. Maybe I am worried for nothing but I hope they make a sustainable model for the future (server costs and all that)

[Efreet]

Originally posted by -Rejit-:

"To me it's a sign that the developers haven't really thought about their long term investment into this game" Exactly my other concern with the game. Maybe I am worried for nothing but I hope they make a sustainable model for the future (server costs and all that)

More like you bothered to searh for the topic but didn't read a single line?


[Sorry but this is not planned. The only way to have multiple character slots would be buying another copy of the game (or if there's an option in the future for purchasing additional slots).]

It's not like there's any use in another save either.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Efreet:

It's not like there's any use in another save either.

That completely depends on the circumstances of the player. Just because you may not have any need for another slot, doesn't mean that applies to everyone else.

I for one would appreciate it. I'm doing a co-op run with my girlfriend right now, but I'd love to have my own file to play on my own when we can't play together. Or perhaps to play with another friend cooperatively.

To have to purchase a second copy of the game just so I can play on a second file is a bit ridiculous for a game that wants to be recognized as an MMO.

[-Rejit-]

Originally posted by Efreet:

Originally posted by -Rejit-:

"To me it's a sign that the developers haven't really thought about their long term investment into this game" Exactly my other concern with the game. Maybe I am worried for nothing but I hope they make a sustainable model for the future (server costs and all that)

More like you bothered to searh for the topic but didn't read a single line?


[Sorry but this is not planned. The only way to have multiple character slots would be buying another copy of the game (or if there's an option in the future for purchasing additional slots).]

It's not like there's any use in another save either.

There is of course the need to be rude. Maybe instead of being a douche, you apply what you say and read my post?
"but telling me to buy another copy for 31€ for an extra save slot? Just no."

And its like there isn't another use to another file? Speak for yourself, because its useful to me or the other user that commented. Games have multiple save files for a reason.

[rnzr]

people would exploit the second save, you still can play with noob friends just take some fresh lvl 1 temtems and go..

[Efreet]

If you need another file for a family member you can family share.
If you need to play with a friend that just started you CAN because of how co-op works, just grab a few low level tems and it works.
There IS going to be another save with nuzlocke options.

So there is actually no real need to have another file, even so it clearly states they might add in one later for a fee.

[Efreet]

There are also the limited consumable that add 1 to a SV.
With a 2nd slot you can simply farm the story get those and transfer them to main account.
Story rewards are around 100k ? + several one off consumable as of now.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Efreet:

There are also the limited consumable that add 1 to a SV.
With a 2nd slot you can simply farm the story get those and transfer them to main account.
Story rewards are around 100k ? + several one off consumable as of now.

The developers could always make that a non-tradable item if that becomes a concern.

The Pansuns could be a bit of an issue I suppose, but if one is willing to rush through the campaign and transfer all of their money from one save to another through a friend isn't necessarily a bad idea. Considering the crazy amounts of money some players have through the selling of perfect Temtem and Luma Temtem... transferring one characters campaign money to another character is a virtual drop in the bucket by comparison.

[이지금]

Originally posted by Efreet:

There are also the limited consumable that add 1 to a SV.
With a 2nd slot you can simply farm the story get those and transfer them to main account.
Story rewards are around 100k ? + several one off consumable as of now.

this is exactly what i think when this people talking about 2nd slot save file

[-Rejit-]

Originally posted by Efreet:

If you need another file for a family member you can family share.
If you need to play with a friend that just started you CAN because of how co-op works, just grab a few low level tems and it works.
There IS going to be another save with nuzlocke options.

So there is actually no real need to have another file, even so it clearly states they might add in one later for a fee.

I am okay paying for another file myself, but the dev on that or other post commented that it would be as expensive as buying another copy for all the extra space on the server. 5€ is fine, but I dont see paying 30€ for it.
It was probably an exageration on their part though. I hope

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by -Rejit-:

Originally posted by Efreet:

If you need another file for a family member you can family share.
If you need to play with a friend that just started you CAN because of how co-op works, just grab a few low level tems and it works.
There IS going to be another save with nuzlocke options.

So there is actually no real need to have another file, even so it clearly states they might add in one later for a fee.

I am okay paying for another file myself, but the dev on that or other post commented that it would be as expensive as buying another copy for all the extra soacer on the server. 5€ is fine, but I dont see paying 30€ for it.
It was probably a exageration on their part though. I hope

I certainly hope it isn't exactly what they meant. Seems like it would be a gross exaggeration.

I don't know what kind of cost there is for hosting data storage and servers in Europe, but that's not usually one of the more epxensive expenditures when it comes to maintaining a multiplayer game. At least it's not as much of an issue in the United States, but in fairness there is a reason most game companies in the United States actually house their servers in Canada.

[-Rejit-]

Originally posted by 이지금:

Originally posted by Efreet:

There are also the limited consumable that add 1 to a SV.
With a 2nd slot you can simply farm the story get those and transfer them to main account.
Story rewards are around 100k ? + several one off consumable as of now.

this is exactly what i think when this people talking about 2nd slot save file

I see there could be issues with some exploits (easily countered I think and not worth it when making perfect tems are way more productive), but asking for a second save file makes you a cheater? What kind of flawed logic is that. Multiple save files are common on a lot of games and mmos xD

[Efreet]

Mmo usually have a monthly fee. I suppose they made some calculations about the costs before deciding this.
And before someone comments stuff like " the save is 5MB", well it may be but they need redundancy to prevent any corruption and loss of data so for every player it will add up fast.
If you allow me... gamefreak just announced a 16$ yearly fee to store 2.5MB.