Transport Fever

Transport Fever

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May 22, 2018 @ 5:07am
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Taunton to Minehead, digital elevation model 32km x 32km, 4097 x 4097 map with 12 towns and auto-generated industry

Many thanks to devs and to the author of the Map Creation Tool
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Grimdanfango May 24, 2018 @ 4:24am 
Cool, apologies if *I've* come across a bit defensive then. I think you're doing fine work, as I'm sure many other players agree.
Bresslaw  [author] May 24, 2018 @ 4:13am 
No need to delete anything grim, lots of good information from you in here. Rather technical points as I just needed you to say you love it and thanks for creating it, we're all human :) - but very interesting - thanks!
Grimdanfango May 24, 2018 @ 2:23am 
If you want to actually have a reasonable discussion about it, that's fine too. I can see that there is *some* peaking around certain histogram values in the raw images from, so presumably there is some form of up-conversion from lower precision data going on with the underlying DEM data sets. It appears to be non-linear (bands seem slightly logarithmically distributed), so it still wouldn't be a good idea to store it in an 8-bit integer file as that would cause quantization artifacts. But anyway, I presume that may be what you were referring to regarding the ~100 level observation.
My point was only ever that whatever the source, 8-bit greyscale is inadequate to represent final terrain inside Transport Fever, which your mod demonstrates perfectly as it *is* 16-bit and clearly wasn't down-sampled to 8-bit during processing.
Grimdanfango May 24, 2018 @ 2:23am 
I'm not sure one of my maps will be much use, as I generated them both from scratch in full 32-bit floating point, ran them through World Machine's erosion modelling, and down-converted them to 16-bit integer.

Look, it's clear you're annoyed. I presume you don't appreciate this discussion thread spilling over the comments section of your own mod.
When all said and done, I was only attempting to offer some clear advice to someone who asked, advice that didn't implicate you in any bad practice, given your mod follows that advice.
It was you who chose to openly disagree with my advice, to take offense where none was intended when I disagreed in turn, and to then continue to fight me on it.

At this point, the user asking the initial question has surely read the answer, so I'm happy to delete my comments from your page if you would prefer me to.
Bresslaw  [author] May 23, 2018 @ 2:15pm 
Thank you for checking my own map and suggesting that I may be giving incorrect information and don't know what I'm doing. Now can I see one of your maps please, I have much to learn apparently
Grimdanfango May 23, 2018 @ 1:11pm 
Nothing of the sort, I was just trying to give advice to jo3do88y below, and suggest that you may be giving incorrect information yourself.

I just checked your own map... the heightmap.png included is a 16-bit integer greyscale image, and it contains values from ~2100 to ~34000... so it's employing around 32000 unique shades.
- That's why it looks smooth.

256 shades would be completely inadequate to depict the map you have here... and that is specifically why some other maps appear obviously divided into discrete terraces.

Perhaps check the facts before getting too defensive.
Bresslaw  [author] May 23, 2018 @ 3:44am 
Grimfandango you said "256 levels is absolutely inadequate" but I already told you that's images are around 100 levels. Are you saying that you don't like my work? It's inadequate? Very odd comments in a free map mod comments section
Bresslaw  [author] May 23, 2018 @ 3:36am 
Grimdanfango May 22, 2018 @ 4:51pm 
Hmm, no... I just went at checked a download, for some random spot in central USA, with Houdini (a package with a fully 16-bit aware compositor, not to mention ). The files are all 16-bit integer, values ranging from 0 to 65535, and a histogram clearly shows that values are spread across that range, not banded.
Easy test - try loading one of the png files in Windows Paint (definitely a non-16-bit-aware package), then re-saving without altering anything. The resulting file will be considerably smaller than the original, as it compresses the bit depth down to 8-bit.

256 levels is absolutely inadequate. Transport Fever works with a height range of 1000m or more - which means each height level would be around 4m - ie, half the height of a house! The stepping is very noticable when you use an 8-bit heightmap, especially on any map with significant hills/mountains... it'll end up looking like Machu Picchu.
jo3do88y May 22, 2018 @ 3:16pm 
The only thing I find with terrain party's maps is they're quite small in TPF, is there any way to make them bigger without using a image editing programme?