Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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Alternative Economy - DeI
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Mar 31, 2018 @ 5:14am
Sep 19, 2019 @ 12:36pm
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Alternative Economy - DeI

Hi All!

I would like to present you my little submod I call "Alternative Economy".

This is a small project that focused of redoing certain aspects of how profits and costs work in this mod.

To sum things up what this submod changes:
-unit recruitment cost increased around 5 times
-income from trade increased
-building cost increased 6 times
-building income increased 4.5 times
-changed AI bonuses for difficulty levels so that AI also needs to develop provinces instead of just having high taxes but depending on difficulty, their buildings cost and unit upkeep are a bit lower
-changed thresholds for how poor/wealthy faction is rated in diplomacy based on income per turn
-Slightly increased income from main buildings in Sparta and Pella (for better player and AI experience)
-Sieger does not suffer casualties, only besieged side does

How does above look in actual game?
While income has been greatly increased, most of "one time" costs got increased even larger. This means that money can run out rather fast if you do unwise investments. In case of army, upkeep does not play as large role as it used to in base DeI but recruitment cost changes how the war is waged, also in case of AI. This means that if you play as small tribe and wage war against other small tribe and you beat their army, AI will most likely not be able to recruit new one or only in limited strength rather than pumping new full army each few turns. In terms of fighting larger and wealther factions, you have new challange as their initial armies in campaign might be rather good quality and in large numbers, their overal army composition will be made of cheaper and cheaper units as the war progresses, which means you can actually wage a war of attrition.

This also makes you rethink military campaignes as if you have rather poor economy but good army, you might not be able to replace it if you lose it or take too large losses. Player army composition also changes as for example a unit of cataphracts can cost between 10,000 to 14,000 denarii. Lets say you have a full army of cataphracts, if you lose it, you would need to spend around 200,000 to 280,000 denarii to rebuild it! This changes the dynamic of recruitment cost and upkeep as in base DeI (where unit costs were pretty much made by me anyway), if you lose army, you get large income boost due to higher upkeep to unit cost relation, while here it is lower. Sure, after losing an army you might get few thousend extra money per turn BUT it might not be enough to have new and proper army in place in case of danger.

Mercenaries play a bit different role in this one as they are slightly more costly to recruit and maintain than regular units but are often a better choice since military infrastructure is also a lot more costly, while mercs can be recruited without it.

In terms of differences between factions, it is a lot more varied now. If you start as Arverni with single small and undeveloped village, you will have not too much income and you won't field expensive units but also your neighbours won't be able to spam elites. If you start as Seleucids, you have starting income of around 10,000 per turn BUT your units cost a lot (You can field Agema cavalry from start BUT that unit costs 10,000 to recruit and around 1500 of upkeep!) and if you just spend the money carelessly, you can get easily into trouble.

I also highly recommend to play with No Attrition for Besieger, meaning that you or AI won't take casualties if you lay a siege to the city. AI should also siege now instead of just attacking. I haven't changed some techs yet that lower casualties for besieger but I will replace them with something else later, since they have no use with it.

This is a test version and might need tweaks in different areas. Please report what you enjoy and what you dislike about the changes.
PLEASE play first, without simply jumping to comments as often odd ideas on paper actually work in the game, while sometimes nice ideas do not work in the long run.
Keep track of how AI develops their cities as I want AI be more restricted by the economy (As it does understand single cost investements, if just does not understand sustained costs like upkeep!) but I don't want it to ignore developing own cities or armies.

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Popular Discussions View All (1)
Oct 21, 2019 @ 6:52am
Does this work with DEI Alexander?
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kam2150  [author] May 10 @ 8:30am 
It is doable but I personally lack time to do it, I can only guide someone how to do it. It would be a pain to update each time new patch is released :/
Kaizen May 10 @ 7:03am 
Hey kam, any chance we can get a mod like this for WH2? Your economy changes have made R2TW campaigns way more interesting and challenging (do I build 3 more units now or wait 6 turns for a building and risk getting spanked?)
kam2150  [author] Apr 24 @ 9:15am 
Army costs scale as your faction grows.
Lt. Ruben Apr 24 @ 7:48am 
you forgot to increase the cost of raising a new army. you can literally get a high tier unit for 750 gold, while a peasant unit is above 1500 gold cost
natknut Apr 5 @ 12:28pm 
Sieger still getting casualties
B0tLike Mar 3 @ 5:19pm 
A few more things for the sake of feedback.

I've noticed big cost differences between buildings of the same type.
For example , on Imperium VI , one type of temple upgrade can cost 70k while another type of temple 30k. Is this WAI ?

Also , sometimes AI ends trade agreements for literally no reason.
This happens with the stronger factions , but not necessarily stronger than me - surprisingly.
Had quite a few examples of ultra friendly factions ( over 150 like ) with common enemies ending trade agreements and refusing to reactivate them no matter how much money i throw at them.
I actually tested this extensively because i got really curious.
It even happens with reliable factions !!!
On one occasion , they came around after a LOT of turns, on others never.
Really weird.

None of the above is gamebreaking but i thought i'd put them here as well.
B0tLike Mar 3 @ 5:00pm 
Thanks a lot for this amazing mod. Changed my gameplay entirely , especially in late game.
I would like to make a suggestion , based on my personal experience , after 1 full campaign.
The early game with small factions is very problematic. I had to load around 5 new campaigns with Germanic tribes ( Kimbroz , Sweboz etc ) until i managed to be able to advance.
I couldn't build anything while the AI can get 1.5 stacks of troops + build.
If they declare war on you its game over or play defensively ( ofc all battle on manual ) for like 50 turns when unlucky.I believe you need to look into this.
But thanks again , overall the mod is great.
kam2150  [author] Feb 28 @ 12:34pm 
I toyed with it but each time it ended with AI just not recruiting units. For example Epir did not recruit a single unit in 17 turns, instead it was just moving armies back and forth.
Maou Feb 27 @ 11:29pm 
I agree with Sganawain, from what I played with this mod it felt like the AI cheaps it out even harder, whilst you just sit there struggling to even build a single army waiting for them to invade with 2 complete stacks; overall it feels like it is not very affected by the new economy.
This is more noticeable in campaigns where you play as small factions such as Sparta or Lusitanni.

I like the increased costs overall but perhaps it could be used in tandem with increased recruit times for more elite units. Data Venia does something of that sort.
Sganawain Feb 27 @ 7:31pm 
another way to make loosing an army a real pain in the ass could be setting the recruit time to 2-3 turns for a unit