Linux User Group s-lug
Linux User Group s-lug
April 16, 2010
ambidot Nov 25, 2017 @ 2:36am
remove GNU from the group description and promotional materials
this should be a group about Linux and software for it in general, not dated and harmful politics
Last edited by ambidot; Jan 23, 2018 @ 4:16am
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Aoi Blue Nov 26, 2017 @ 12:18pm 
GNU is the software core utilities of Linux. Linux is the kernel core.

GNU/Linux refers to the standard Linux distribution, not GNU Libre principals and politics.

Other Linux Distro types are Dalvik/BIONIC/Linux (i.e. Android) and BSD/Linux (Not as populare later.) There even have been some System-V/Linux setups but they never gained popularity and I don't think any are in active use.

I guess you could call it LSB/Linux as "LSB" is the other term for the common Linux system design using GNU-Utils.

I kind of feel annoyed that I have to explain this to people. It's sort of in Linux 101 (terms and jargon section).

p.s. Steam only runs on GNU/Linux, although technically you can just make a GNU container under any other Linux system with modern utilities.

On the other side of the argument "Linux User Group" Has been the generally accepted term for some time. This is generally because "GLUG" is a crappy accronym and adding GNU/Linux every time you refer to Linux is foolishly verbose.

I like the standard that brief materials use "Linux" and verbose materials use "GNU/Linux"
Last edited by Aoi Blue; Nov 26, 2017 @ 12:21pm
ambidot Nov 26, 2017 @ 1:30pm 
bullshit. the Steam binaries use Linux syscalls specifically, and a mix of GNU and other FOSS and proprietary libraries that use Linux syscalls themselves.

"you can just make a GNU container under any other Linux system": you mean using non-GNU replacements for coreutils, init, and similar?

Gentoo uses SysVinit.
Last edited by ambidot; Jan 22, 2018 @ 2:37pm
ambidot Nov 26, 2017 @ 1:32pm 
the main reason Android cannot run desktop Linux software is not having an Xorg-compatible display server, and not having a standard libinput setup. Android is capable of running desktop Linux software with these things installed and configured.
ambidot Nov 26, 2017 @ 1:39pm 
the GNU Project wants name recognition and fame to advance its backward and harmful political goals. we're on a gaming service where open sources are exceedingly rare, despite being fully possible behind a paywall. GNU has not succeeding in convincing developers, the people that matter, that publishing open-source is in their interests, perhaps because it's not. GNU has also not succeeded in convincing video game consumers, people that matter, that open sources or Linux are important. the only people i've talked to that think Linux is important are the ones disgruntled with Windows 10.
Last edited by ambidot; Nov 27, 2017 @ 8:49pm
kusaros Nov 27, 2017 @ 4:42pm 
I think you have 0 idea of what GNU actually is. It is indeed a set of utilities and programs used by most of the linux distros...
What you were probably refering to is FSF. There is only small, mainly philosofical, difference between FSF and OSS. Do you realize FOSS is actually refering to both of these in general?

And by the all, can you explain how freedom is "backward and harmful political goal"?
ambidot Nov 27, 2017 @ 8:44pm 
GNU is glibc, coreutils, binutils, GCC, [redacted], and a hundred other projects. perhaps you're right that the FSF is the one with political goals, but afaik they're not very different.

the FSF does not own or control the entire FOSS community. OSS as a term includes both free (FOSS) and nonfree open-source software. there are both FOSS and non-free OSS games on Steam, both free and paid.

'freedom' is a vague word in this context. my complaint is that the GNU Project's official position on Steam's games for Linux is disparaging, because GNU would rather see proprietary Linux gaming struggle than lose traction on its mission of promoting free (FOSS) software. i'm arguing that this is backward because full freedom is less important than traction of mixed free/proprietary software availability.
Last edited by ambidot; Nov 30, 2017 @ 4:00pm
kusaros Nov 28, 2017 @ 2:12am 
They hold a grudge against DRM, which indeed restricts users rights. It put itself above users and may remain installed forever even after game is uninstalled. They have nothing against comercial software.
ambidot Nov 28, 2017 @ 2:25am 
they have a grudge against nonfree commercial Linux games too. "If you want to promote the cause of freedom in computing, please take care not to talk about the availability of these games on GNU/Linux as support for our cause." DRM is only mentioned in the title of the article.
Last edited by ambidot; Nov 28, 2017 @ 2:26am
default dance Nov 30, 2017 @ 3:29pm 
It is not! GTK is developed by the GNOME developers.
See the GTK one, thanks
Last edited by default dance; Nov 30, 2017 @ 3:29pm
ambidot Nov 30, 2017 @ 4:02pm 
you're right. i looked on Gnome's site and they mention GNU as if they're associated, but it's unclear how each is managed.
ambidot Nov 30, 2017 @ 7:11pm 

being GPL makes calling it GNU/Linux hardly more valid than MIT/Linux: signifying one organisation's efforts over minority ones for political traction.

what makes you think GNOME is "part of" the GNU Project? that's as valid as saying GNOME is a Canonical project. the GNOME website describes an advisory board comprising dozens of organisations.

you're the reason 'GNU' is being forced into descriptions everywhere, as if it isn't Linux that matters.
ambidot Nov 30, 2017 @ 8:23pm 
"started by" is irrelevant. many things are started and spun off by organisations that no longer have authority or modern recognition for them. "considered" is not an argument in itself. the PRC (China) considers Taiwan its territory for political purposes, despite having hardly any legal authority over it today.

i apologise for chastising you wrongly on semantics.
ambidot Nov 30, 2017 @ 9:02pm 
i ignore it because GNOME doesn't mention ties to GNU, only to the FSF among other organisations. GNU clearly has motivations for getting name-recognition for their historical and current involvement in things, which is questionable.
ambidot Nov 30, 2017 @ 11:07pm 
skeptical because the website things are one side's weak argument and not proof of any management/leadership structure.

that video is it. you win.
timb46290 Dec 4, 2017 @ 9:19pm 
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