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Quantum Mar 27, 2017 @ 12:44pm
Stuff on Barter.vg that is broken
I figured I'd make this thread to have one list for Barter.vg to look at instead of having to find them elsewhere.

List:
- Login (fixed).
- Mutual Matches.
- Missing titles of games (theemu's plugin fixes this right now).
- Only 2-3 people can submit bundles (who no longer have time to do so), more people are needed with access to do that.
- The bundle submission page only goes up to 1/1/2017 (was fixed by theemu plugin).
- Games tagged incorrectly (there are a bunch of games tagged as giveaway that aren't given away).
- Adding some newer bundle sites so bundles can be added for those properly.

Feel free to add to this list.
Last edited by Quantum; Mar 27, 2017 @ 3:01pm
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- more editing ability of already submitted bundles (mistakes happen, and sometimes bundle needs short explanation or just external URL update etc)fixed, thank you very much =)

- removal of items from Library listings (some of us have games permanently listed there that have got revoked for example, or it was only a temporary access license, also Steam allows removal of games from library now) fixed, thank you =)

- editing of titles of items (or at least make "short distinguishing note" visible in offer pages also)"distinguishing notes are now visible more thank you, but they still don't show up when listing is in edit mode fixed, thank you =)

Last edited by √¡⎛⎝⎠⎞⎛⎝⎠⎞ϒ; Jul 12, 2017 @ 8:20pm
r6d2 Mar 27, 2017 @ 2:17pm 
  • Syncing wishlist and library seem to have stalled.
  • Mechanism to solve disputes created by mistake or abuse. (Maybe some trusted middlemen moderators with a special permission?)
  • Grant some volunteers moderator rights on the Barter forum to create and maintain pinned threads, clean up junk and enable relevant content to remain visible and useful.
Milouze Mar 27, 2017 @ 2:33pm 
- Replace Steamgifts profile link with Steamtrades

- ...implement all the good stuff Theemu's scripts do as of today :)

- Force first time login users to review and apply trading preferences

- Pin, maintain and flag games listed by the community here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bartervg/discussions/0/133256959370296637/

- Add a remove from library and a definitve solution to that old trouble (many Beta and Time limited keys around):
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bartervg/discussions/0/357284767239989971/

- This game (and others ?) is in my tradables thanks to Theemu script I believe, but appears in the -Unlinked Items (cannot filter or match)- section as well
https://barter.vg/i/27686/
Why isn't there a similar topic for LT :( It makes it easier to sort through bug reports / suggestions...
Zomby Mar 27, 2017 @ 5:06pm 
Originally posted by Nao 尚:
Why isn't there a similar topic for LT :( It makes it easier to sort through bug reports / suggestions...

FWIW, whenever I see something that's missing on LT I just assume that it's just not there yet and will be implemented at a later time.

And since you're actually active and involved with the user base, I figured you would create such a post yourself. (Or did you? I can't remember and the site is down at the moment.)
Last edited by Zomby; Mar 27, 2017 @ 5:07pm
/u/humpaaa Mar 27, 2017 @ 7:20pm 
Next Step leave feedback for xxxxxx on SteamGifts.com

Since steamtrades / steamgifts separated, it's not possible anymore to leave feedback on steamgifts. Therefore, trades with obligatory steamgifts-rep setting are never marked as completely finished.
dot⁧Hacker Mar 27, 2017 @ 8:54pm 
To the contrary, library and wishlist syncing work perfectly for me.

However barter, this is huge:
if a game is revoked, you lose from your library, but barter does not update this and says you own it forever. Please update library lists to reflect removals.

@humpaaa's - more specifically we need the link to be our steamtrades link. let us manually set that since it will not pull from steamgifts anymore (only links a useless SG profile)

@Quantum - more specifically we need to define WHAT qualifies as given away. 500 key flash giveaway? 1000 key? 10000 key? hosted on certain sites only? what if the GA is over a year old, is it no longer a GA and the tag expire? What about my favorite, russian traders upvoting greenlight games and hoarding keys? Before you respond with, well that's not a giveaway, it sure is since devs are actively creating forum posts advertising free keys in the free key section of the website. Out of sight, out of mind?

Lastly, if barter is here to stay, are we able to apply for reversals on failed trades? i have written evidence from my whopping 2 (and can confirm with other side who wrote on your profile) to reverse the failures to cancellations.
Last edited by dot⁧Hacker; Mar 27, 2017 @ 8:59pm
Milouze Mar 28, 2017 @ 1:40am 
Originally posted by Nao 尚:
Why isn't there a similar topic for LT :( It makes it easier to sort through bug reports / suggestions...

I did create a topic in Lestrades' steam group, and you made it clear you wanted me to stop reporting user experience and suggestions :Durno:
Interestingly, you never had the ballz to respond in a similar manner to other users reporting the exact same things on your site[lestrades.com].
Go back working on making Lestrades better, I am worried for your sanity.

Originally posted by dotHacker:
Lastly, if barter is here to stay, are we able to apply for reversals on failed trades?[...]

I agree, it goes along with what R6D2 mentioned. I would appreciate having moderators (with of them being distinct from the ones we would have here in the Steam group) to review the conflict backlog and resolve the disputes.
That could help traders get a cleaner profile and have some active users back (e.g. Ufolec[barter.vg] ,..).
Last edited by Milouze; Mar 28, 2017 @ 1:40am
Barter.vg Mar 28, 2017 @ 3:11am 
Originally posted by Quantum:
- Login (fixed).
I didn't change anything other than reboot the server, although that appears to be the suggested fix. I believe this is the root of the problem, https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=12937
This raises another issue regarding more secure sessions. While being able to extend cookie expiration helped in this situation, sessions should be invalidated server side. Cookies expire after 2 weeks, but sessions live until logout and therefore potentially indefinitely. What does everyone think is a reasonable length for sessions to last?

Originally posted by Quantum:
- Mutual Matches.
This will likely take time. In a sense, this has been broken since the start, but didn't become obvious until the database grew to millions of rows. Nao recommended a different database table structure. I will share more about code and db structure in a separate thread.

Originally posted by Quantum:
- Missing titles of games (theemu's plugin fixes this right now).
I added Steamspy info today so while it was adding the owner count, I filled in all of the missing titles automatically. There are still incorrect titles since at this time, it doesn't appear (I thought it did, but I couldn't find any update function) the title is ever updated after the game is added to the database.

Originally posted by Quantum:
- Only 2-3 people can submit bundles (who no longer have time to do so), more people are needed with access to do that.
This system needs to be reworked, but if anyone doesn't mind clunky input UI, I will add volunteers. However, there is a coordination problem. There's nothing preventing duplicate entries if multiple people are working at the same time.

Originally posted by Quantum:
- The bundle submission page only goes up to 1/1/2017 (was fixed by theemu plugin).
This was an easy mistake to avoid if I had always had the current year at the top. I added that and 2017.

Originally posted by Quantum:
- Adding some newer bundle sites so bundles can be added for those properly.
Which ones? I looked through ITAD and added Chrono.gg, DLGamer, Gamesplanet, Sila Games as stores and Bunch of Keys as a bundle site.

Originally posted by Quantum:
- Games tagged incorrectly (there are a bunch of games tagged as giveaway that aren't given away).
This was a problem when the tag was introduced. I think it may be more accurate to add give aways in a simlar way to bundles.
Barter.vg Mar 28, 2017 @ 3:32am 
Originally posted by √¡⎛⎝⎠⎞⎛⎝⎠⎞ϒ:
- editing of already submitted bundles (mistakes happen, and sometimes bundle needs short explanation or just external URL update etc)
Certainly. Would a comments section work for adding updates?

Originally posted by √¡⎛⎝⎠⎞⎛⎝⎠⎞ϒ:
- removal of items from Library listings (some of us have games permanently listed there that have got revoked for example, or it was only a temporary access license, also Steam allows removal of games from library now)
I assume you mean automatically during sync versus the ability to manual remove. Since the wishlist does remove existing entries, it should be a relatively simple change, but I'm holding off on any changes with the sync to avoid breaking it completely.

Originally posted by √¡⎛⎝⎠⎞⎛⎝⎠⎞ϒ:
- editing of titles of items (or at least make "short distinguishing note" visible in offer pages also)
Added. I believe this will be less of an issue once more titles are automatically corrected.

Originally posted by √¡⎛⎝⎠⎞⎛⎝⎠⎞ϒ:
- editing of "useless" items like https://barter.vg/i/12114/ (there are more than 5000 such items in the database now) (by allowing changing of title, steamdb/itad/image links etc can convert them to actual tradable items, such as missing game, DLC, Sub Package, Custom package of games (like bundle tier key package), or game from other platform etc)
Redirecting the page to the base game profile?
Barter.vg Mar 28, 2017 @ 5:21am 
Originally posted by r6d2:
I see "automatically synced" in the feed, but that isn't changing anything? Ideally, I'd like the activity feed to include what the sync did, e.g. "automatically synced" "added ##, removed # games"

Originally posted by r6d2:
  • Mechanism to solve disputes created by mistake or abuse. (Maybe some trusted middlemen moderators with a special permission?)
With enough volunteers, that could be a big improvement. I didn't have any way to view disputed offers in one place. Created https://barter.vg/disputes/ and will build out moderators tools from there.

Originally posted by r6d2:
  • Grant some volunteers moderator rights on the Barter forum to create and maintain pinned threads, clean up junk and enable relevant content to remain visible and useful.
I will create a separate topic for this and Steam makes this easy to implement.
Barter.vg Mar 28, 2017 @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by Milouze:
- Replace Steamgifts profile link with Steamtrades
I searched and replaced Steamgifts with Steamtrades where I could find it. Let me know if I missed anywhere.

Originally posted by Milouze:
- ...implement all the good stuff Theemu's scripts do as of today :)
I did fix the blank game titles and added 2017.

Originally posted by Milouze:
- Force first time login users to review and apply trading preferences
I haven't signed in for the first time in a long time, but I believe new users do land on a preference page.

Originally posted by Milouze:
- Pin, maintain and flag games listed by the community here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bartervg/discussions/0/133256959370296637/
Added new trading tags "invalidated (Dev)" "invalidated (DMCA)"

Originally posted by Milouze:
- Add a remove from library and a definitve solution to that old trouble (many Beta and Time limited keys around):
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bartervg/discussions/0/357284767239989971/
I'm hesistant to add the edit option for all library games as changes could be reverted by syncing. However, automatically removing library games could be the same as what happens now with wishlist.

Originally posted by Milouze:
- This game (and others ?) is in my tradables thanks to Theemu script I believe, but appears in the -Unlinked Items (cannot filter or match)- section as well
https://barter.vg/i/27686/
If you have it in tradable and unlinked, I think it will remain unlinked rather than add a second row of the same game. Wouldn't you want to remove the unlinked one?
Barter.vg Mar 28, 2017 @ 5:44am 
Originally posted by /u/humpaaa:
Next Step leave feedback for xxxxxx on SteamGifts.com

Since steamtrades / steamgifts separated, it's not possible anymore to leave feedback on steamgifts. Therefore, trades with obligatory steamgifts-rep setting are never marked as completely finished.
Links to Steamtrades.com now
Barter.vg Mar 28, 2017 @ 5:48am 
Originally posted by dotHacker:
Lastly, if barter is here to stay, are we able to apply for reversals on failed trades? i have written evidence from my whopping 2 (and can confirm with other side who wrote on your profile) to reverse the failures to cancellations.
Yes, and I hope I won't be the only one review disputes. Currently, can only view disputed offers, but I plan to add moderation tools to https://barter.vg/disputes/
Milouze Mar 28, 2017 @ 6:00am 
Thank you for the lightning fast updates, you rock :meatboy:

Can Theemu's scripts associated to Barter.vg be safely removed now ?
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