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Barter.vg Jun 22, 2015 @ 8:31am
Free and given away games
I've received several messages about offers with free or given away games. For example, The Desolate Hope, which is free on Steam, and the recent Indiegala giveaway of Bloop, where anyone that wanted a copy could get one.

Should these game be against the rules and banned from offers? I don't think they should. While the trade value is obviously much lower a big give away and next to nothing for a free game, that shouldn't disqualify a game from the site. It's up to the accepting side of an offer to decide. Should the offering side disclose that the game was given away or is now free? That would be polite, but I don't think there's an obligation to notify. I think this is a responsibility of the site.

Like the previous Decommissioned games thread, I'll go through given away tags and post them here. Unlike decommissioned games, where it's easy to verify by going to the store page, "given away" isn't as easy to verify nor is there a clear threshold (should a giveaway of 100 games be flagged?).

The goal is to display this information on the offer page so that the information is disclosed to both sides. I'd like to hear any suggestions. Also, anyone can post games that were given away or switched to free below.
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theemu Apr 23, 2018 @ 2:06am 
Originally posted by Seemannsdämlack:
What is this with *some* games from the Chrono.gg Coin Shop suddenly getting $0 tags? When there is a bundle listing for them already.
https://barter.vg/i/3119/
The tagging got interrupted in middle of progress. Got more important stuff to do for now. Also thought should probably have discussion about this.

Afaik it's not possible to pay real money to acquire chrono.gg coins in order to "buy" their games. Therefore I think they should be considered free games instead because:
a)the coins are acquired very simply by visiting the site and clicking a button once a day (so it's a lot simpler than for example tremorgames where it's significantly more work to get "free" coins to buy games)
b)the number of copies they have is usually pretty high, approx. 2970 being the lowest known, source: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/sQp3a/chronogg-coin-shop
The bundle listing should probably be removed after all games have been $0 tagged? Or should we just stick to the bundle listing instead? Opinions would be welcome =)
Last edited by theemu; Apr 23, 2018 @ 4:57am
LRiPPER Apr 23, 2018 @ 9:33am 
In Chrono is possible to get coins when you buy a game for sale on the day.
Games from the Coin Shop are not considered $0, in my opinion, even if only with daily free coins, because they are equivalent to more than 30 days of coin collecting (with all strikes included).
If we consider these tasks, we judge TremorGames the same way, as it has a much larger number of offers to get free coins. Many people never spent items or any amount to get coins in TG, just doing tasks/surveys to get the coins.

So with that said, I agree with Seemannsdämlack, but I see a huge need today to rethink the tag rankings that influence the value of a game in a trade. Currently the tags and similar issues discussed are: Price Glitch; Brightlocker; Chrono.gg, russian stores.

I can exemplify with a personal situation:

I got the game "Sniper Ghost Warrior 2" from Coin Shop on Chrono.gg for 7500 coins which took MANY days to collect (all free coins). In the meantime, before activating it, I decided to buy a franchise package in the Steam store that the game was included, as I thought it would be more advantageous even though I already had my activation key for the game. So I put it for trade.

Shortly afterwards the same game came out in Fanatical FPS Heroes 2 bundle, which, considering its value, would be equivalent to ~0.27$. [(price_of_game/total_of_all_games_in_tier)*price_of_tier=]

Which of the two purchase options is the easiest?
r6d2 Apr 23, 2018 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by LRiPPER:
Shortly afterwards the same game came out in Fanatical FPS Heroes 2 bundle, which, considering its value, would be equivalent to ~0.27$. [(price_of_game/total_of_all_games_in_tier)*price_of_tier=]
Only as a precision on the terms used in this discussion: value, price and cost are often confused, and are completely different.[keydifferences.com]

By applying the aforementioned formula, only the cost of an item on a particular purchase has been determined, not its widespread price and clearly not --by far-- its "absolute value". We all value games differently.

One trader whose name unfortunately don't remember now once wrote: "Value of my games is not the cost I incurred into when you didn't purchase them." Made total sense to me.

From that point of view, the $0 tag should not be that important nowadays, except for users that are somewhat new to trading, IMHO.

Happy trading!
LRiPPER Apr 23, 2018 @ 11:30am 
Originally posted by r6d2:
Originally posted by LRiPPER:
Shortly afterwards the same game came out in Fanatical FPS Heroes 2 bundle, which, considering its value, would be equivalent to ~0.27$. [(price_of_game/total_of_all_games_in_tier)*price_of_tier=]
Only as a precision on the terms used in this discussion: value, price and cost are often confused, and are completely different.[keydifferences.com]

By applying the aforementioned formula, only the cost of an item on a particular purchase has been determined, not its widespread price and clearly not --by far-- its "absolute value". We all value games differently.

One trader whose name unfortunately don't remember now once wrote: "Value of my games is not the cost I incurred into when you didn't purchase them." Made total sense to me.

From that point of view, the $0 tag should not be that important nowadays, except for users that are somewhat new to trading, IMHO.

Happy trading!

Yes, I completely agree with your point. However, for the Barter as a trading site and that keeps all possible information always up to date, the more accurate this information is, would be better to help each user come to their own conclusion of the value of a game.
r6d2 Apr 23, 2018 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by LRiPPER:
the more accurate this information is, would be better to help each user come to their own conclusion of the value of a game.
I agree in general, but I'd make a precision to your statement. My point was precisely that the "absolute value of a game for all traders" does not exist, since "value" is not even a number.

IMHO, we can certainly make personal decisions like "I, myself and myself alone, value more this game in comparison to that game," but that's as good as it gets.

When your personal valuations make sense to others, you get more accepted sent offers, therefore you become more tuned with the standards of the community.

I look a several variables when ranking games for my Tradables and Wishlist, and the $0 tag is not one of them. In spite of that, I get very good sent offers accepted rates, which leads me to think that the $0 tag is not really important in the grand scheme of things.
Last edited by r6d2; Apr 23, 2018 @ 12:32pm
Finagle Apr 20 @ 9:16am 
I was wondering why Dungeon Rushers[barter.vg] has 0 CV on steamgifts so I asked and found out it had been in a giveaway on Feb 10 2017.

Here's the link if you want to mark it: https://twitter.com/orlygift/status/830115375111081984
Last edited by Finagle; Apr 20 @ 9:23am
theemu Apr 20 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by Finagle:
I was wondering why Dungeon Rushers[barter.vg] has 0 CV on steamgifts so I asked and found out it had been in a giveaway on Feb 10 2017.

Here's the link if you want to mark it: https://twitter.com/orlygift/status/830115375111081984
Thanks for reporting and the url. The giveaway is now properly recorded at barter as well.

By the way, Steamgifts shows the date when game was added to the given away list at https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaways/new in a popup when you hover over ** after the game's title. Looks like "Dungeon Rushers - Veterans Skins Pack" was also marked as given away on that same date, gonna reflect that on Barter as well asap.
Last edited by theemu; Apr 20 @ 10:18am
Finagle Apr 20 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by theemu:
Originally posted by Finagle:
I was wondering why Dungeon Rushers[barter.vg] has 0 CV on steamgifts so I asked and found out it had been in a giveaway on Feb 10 2017.

Here's the link if you want to mark it: https://twitter.com/orlygift/status/830115375111081984
Thanks for reporting and the url. The giveaway is now properly recorded at barter as well.

By the way, Steamgifts shows the date when game was added to the given away list at https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaways/new in a popup when you hover over ** after the game's title. Looks like "Dungeon Rushers - Veterans Skins Pack" was also marked as given away on that same date, gonna reflect that on Barter as well asap.

Thanks for the tip, I never noticed that before.
Milouze May 13 @ 6:57am 
I keep receiving freebie value offer for this one: https://barter.vg/i/58271/

Given the Owned/Wishlist/Tradable numbers, I believe that game should have its $0 Given away tag taken off or "soften" somehow... :ChipStern:
theemu May 13 @ 1:04pm 
Originally posted by Milouze:
I keep receiving freebie value offer for this one: https://barter.vg/i/58271/

Given the Owned/Wishlist/Tradable numbers, I believe that game should have its $0 Given away tag taken off or "soften" somehow... :ChipStern:
agreed, meant to do this before but forgot.
The $0 tag should be gone now. The Steam games available via brightlocker are "tracked" in https://barter.vg/bundle/3525/ page hasn't been updated in long time, any missing data welcomed.
Milouze May 13 @ 1:06pm 
Thank you sir :Aunt:
This giveaway[www.bananagiveaway.com] is wrong. They're giving away "Lawnmower Game 2: Drifter", not "Lawnmower Game".
theemu May 21 @ 6:22am 
Originally posted by ɪ ᴀ ᴍ ᴇ ʀ ʀ ᴏ ʀ:
This giveaway[www.bananagiveaway.com] is wrong. They're giving away "Lawnmower Game 2: Drifter", not "Lawnmower Game".
Thank for the report=) I can confirm this also.
The giveaway entry itself is now fixed to the correct game https://barter.vg/giveaway/4374/

The activity log entry remains for the other game, only admin can fix that, idk is it worth fixing since it disappears after few days.
Last edited by theemu; May 21 @ 6:25am
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