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[FOR] Reason Jan 19, 2017 @ 4:20pm
Why we still use Teamspeak primarily
... and why we're still skeptical of Discord.

In the last year the most asked question I've received is, "Why don't you use Discord?" and even a few people have arrogantly proclaimed that we're stupid for not using it. To be clear, we've had a discord server since Discord became available which you can see here.[discord.me]
However, we don't use, recommend, or advertise our Discord because when you break it down. Here is why...


1. Company & Privacy
Hammer & Chisel (H&C) is founded by Jason Citron (self-described "Serial Entrepreneur"). H&C has received $29 million of investment money from VC firms and (imo) hasn't been honest about how they intend to make money.
Source: Crunchbase[www.crunchbase.com]
To recoup that level of investment (29 MILLION) they'll have to do a lot more than sell "stickers & badges". Source: DiscordApp[support.discordapp.com]
The likely outcome is they'll sell our data as lead generation for advertisers, display ads, or both. Their privacy policy leaves a lot of skepticism for the future.
Source: Discord Policy[discordapp.com] and Source: CEO response?
We won't recommend something that more likely than not, will be sold off to the highest bidder in the future with your personal information and years of communication transcripts becoming property to others to profit off. Teamspeak on the other hand has been around for almost 20 years and has crystal clear licensing services which is how they make their money so we, the users, aren't their product.

2. Performance
Network latency benchmarks are worse than alternative software.
Source: Battle(non)sense

3. Security
Their company employee page doesn't list a single security specialist. They have a CTO & a bunch of engineers but who knows if any of them have any InfoSec background. Source: DiscordApp[discordapp.com]

4. Reality
Advantages: Discord has only two unique strengths compared to competitors.
1. API integration from popular platforms (Imgur, Youtube, Twitter, etc.) which allows for thumbnails (as an example) in the text chat.
2. A Web interface.
The web interface is pretty meaningless when you remember that most respectable Discord servers require an account, meaning you need yet another account name and password.
Disadvantages: Discord will become obsolete the second Teamspeak or Mumble use WebRTC to create their own web interface just like Discord has. The difference will be that Teamspeak and Mumble allow users to host their own servers, they have hundreds of more features than Discord and you can guarantee neither will go anywhere or sell your data.
Furthermore, if you're even a slightly serious PC gamer, you're gonna download communication software and not even care about the web app. So you might as well use Teamspeak or Mumble which don't require accounts.

5. Name
Lastly, the name, it's inaccurate (borderline stupid) for a communication platform to be named after a word which, by definition, means a "disagreement between people". A better name would've been "Discourse", meaning, "written or spoken communication or debate". I'd like to give them the benefit of doubt and assume they know english but were concerned it would conflict with the voice app Curse.

... So let me ask you, why do you use Discord?
Please share your thoughts whether you agree, disagree, or simply have outright criticism of this perspective. Do you lurk servers or actively participate and if so, why discord over alternative software? :spazdunno:
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[FOR] Reason Jan 19, 2017 @ 4:35pm 
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Last edited by [FOR] Reason; Jan 19, 2017 @ 5:15pm
[SoT] Deamon Cat Jan 19, 2017 @ 6:47pm 
I use Discord and TS but I prefer Discord because it is easier to create your own server without dealing with your own personal internet connection
DIRTYSLOTH Jan 21, 2018 @ 2:21am 
Just stopped by to say - well said, If you value Security and your own Data, Discord is not the answer.

"Business Transfers: As we develop our business, we might sell or buy businesses or assets. In the event of a corporate sale, merger, reorganization, bankruptcy, dissolution or similar event, your information may be part of the transferred assets.
Consent: We may transfer your information with your consent."

for those who value privacy + quality - mumble is a far superior and more robust service.
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