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Operation Market Garden: Day 1

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stryker2600 Sep 25, 2018 @ 9:26am 
Monty, once he established his reputation from Africa, was never to risk losing it again during the remainder of the war. He only attacked or moved with an enormous force after a sustained buildup and was never too creative in his attacks. (Frontal attack, charge! Drop paratroopers and send three armies to attack Holland up a single road, charge!) But in the end Monty simply followed the tactics first introduced to modern warfare by General Ulysses Grant 70 some odd years beforehand. And in the end the Allies won.

Making snippy comments at Allied leaders is the sad state of today's society which people are always looking for another reason to hate themselves, unless you're German in which case... You lost, move on.
Big Boss Sep 21, 2018 @ 8:52am 
Monty doesnt deserve all the hate he gets, he played an integral part in winning the war BUT he did do a lot of very stupid things that made him look very bad and caused issues within the allied coalition. Him and patton were basically very unstable geniuses
[WF] Hohenstaufen Sep 20, 2018 @ 11:49pm 
@wolfburk: profound written and absolutely agreed 100% on point!
Wulfburk Sep 20, 2018 @ 5:38pm 
If there was anyone that threw their men's lives, it was the americans. From September 1 (the moment Eisenhower gets command) to VE day, its a disaster from start to finish. The british at least recognize and study their major failures in ww2, Gazala.... Singapore, etc etc. The americans simply seek to place the blame on others, as in, battle of the bulge, where 100k americans were made casualties due to Hodges-Bradley-Patton-Eisenhower, and yet they blame Montgomery?! And some americans actually think BotB was a decisive victory.... It was a disastrous battle which the germans shoudnt have even been allowed to start it.
Wulfburk Sep 20, 2018 @ 5:36pm 
ANd on normandy, DESPITE facing the bulk of the german forces around Caen, INCLUDING all the german tiger tanks (more than a hundred of them), the british still managed to lose 20.000 less soldiers than the americans, and 400 less tanks.

Its a simple fact: the british army was simply more efficient than the american, not because they had the luxury of it, but because they were forced to be so due to the lack of replacements and manpower. And so everything they did was to focus on killing more of the germans WHILE losing less of their troops. Caen was that, Goodwood too(use of the tank numbers, using tanks in an inefficient advance, they all knew it would be, it just was done to not have the toil go down to the infantry once more), even Market Garden (its the use of the airborne manpower). And so on and so on.

Wulfburk Sep 20, 2018 @ 5:28pm 
Oh, no, Montgomery didnt send his men to die knowingly. Well, he did as in that every general expects some of his troops to die, the enemy has guns too you know. However, from day 1 in the normandy campaign, to V.E day, the PRIOIRTY of the 21 AG is a single one: Lower to the max the casualties on the infantry section. Simply because the british army was lacking 30k men in replacement. That is why battles like operation goodwood happened (massive tank assault), why the british focused on FIREPOWER, using massive artilery barrages, and etc. Everything to take the burden outta the infantry.

That is why, from the end of the normandy campaign to the end of the war in europe, the british lost 30.000 men.

In comparission, the americans lost 50k in Metz under Patton, 60k in Hurtgen forest under Bradley. AND 100.000 in battle of the bulge, while the germans in BotB lost 70k. In el alamein, Montgomery only needed to lose 13k british to inflict the same losses on the germans.
kupis1408 Sep 20, 2018 @ 4:13pm 
Feels like re-watching A Bridge Too Far
Big Boss Sep 20, 2018 @ 9:36am 
i thought it looked like a vickers machine gun he is lugging around and he is trying to swing it up to get a better grip
[WF] Hohenstaufen Sep 20, 2018 @ 12:30am 
does anyone know what that fast thing in the picture was?
is it that picture with that dove that went through the lense?
or did they just throw something over?

im just curious - as i can see a lot of experts in here, maybe someone knows.

and yes, big boss, must be a huge shock as they realized, the crystals not working in the radios...
BootParty Sep 19, 2018 @ 8:42pm 
god bless both sides