VALVe - What's Your Plan for Silicon Macs?

[LOVΞFIЯΞ]

Dear VALVe

The worse thing about having something that doesn't work anymore is the lack of communication from the developers and what their roadmaps is to resolve the hiccup or inform there is not going to be one.

There is more factors then just steam here I agree, something I didnt know about till know. though Apple play a part in this with Rosetta 2, and Game devs playa part in making the games native (which isnt garentueed)

VALVe just looking for some knowledge on the what Silicon Mac users have to do going forward, and if its worth waiting for you guys to make some native support.

[Satoru]

I mean what 'plan' do you want. feel free to go scream at apple for screwing over all the Mac gaming users. APple won't allow steam on the new M1 Macs because everything on the M1 is sandboxed. Apple wont even allow xcloud on iOS devices. Meaning apple has officially killed gaming on Macs

No steam games are compiled in ARM. Meaning its moot ot 'update' the client because 0% of your games will work natively

Oh and in 2-3 years all of them will stop working outright once Rosetta is killed

Why 'fix' it knowing that the platform as a whole is gonna be dead in 2 years

[LOVΞFIЯΞ]

Well this is the kinda of explanation and detail i want from VALVe, this really helps me and other understands the hard cold facts; and no what if's.

So your saying that Apple won't let steam on the new macs bc there sandboxes... i feel there is more detail to this thans being said. I know apple, and they are one to be greedy and sabatoage another to take the lead themselves, and if they kill off mac gaming for steam then they can open tehre doors to developer's on the apple arcade and collect all the sub profits every month.

also just bc no games are compiled in ARM yet doesn't mean that wont be...? a lot of developers out there have already made ARM version for there software, i mean windows even has a ARM version.

Im still cloudy about the whole Apple wont let steam on there M1 macs. cant see why steam cant follow the protcols for apples developer program to make it availbe for M1 and just have it downloable on the mac app store so it solves the sandbox problem. but idk.

Still hoping a dev can add there input to this conversation, love to hear what they have to say about it. knowldge is a good thing in this world to have.

[Homy]

It's working fine for these guys so I don't know what you guys are talking about (not saying that Steam is optimized and has no problems):

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7CwWhhUmy-8sDvyyA15weA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ-hl32h5CokBhlGu95C1Xg

2-3 years? Last time Rosetta was supported for 5,5 years (2006-2011). If you haven't finished your games after that you can always keep your last supported Mac to play them after Rosetta 2 is gone in newer Mac OS. Just because it will be gone in newer Mac OS it doesn't mean it will stop working in older Mac OS.

[DestructoDisk]

Steam works fine on M1 Macs. The problem is Steam controller support doesn't work inside games. It works for the menus in big picture mode. So 90% of games you cant use a controller in.

[Homy]

Originally posted by DestructoDisk:

Steam works fine on M1 Macs. The problem is Steam controller support doesn't work inside games. It works for the menus in big picture mode. So 90% of games you cant use a controller in.

It looks like it will be fixed in Big Sur 11.3: https://youtu.be/2_JB88bHcEY

[LOVΞFIЯΞ]

@homy

well yeah it might be fixed for contorller suppot but this thread is specificly for the Developers to share what there plans on with getting Steam games to work with M1 Silicon macs. not so much the controllers. but this is great news that apple and steam are working together. (im kinda surpirsed by that hoenstly)

[szybkigrzesiuudziwko ❤]

true

[Homy]

Originally posted by LOVΞFIЯΞ:

@homy

this thread is specificly for the Developers to share what there plans on with getting Steam games to work with M1 Silicon macs. not so much the controllers.

I replied to DestructoDisk who wrote "The problem is Steam controller support doesn't work inside games".

You also seem to contradict yourself. Your started the thread to ask Valve about their plans for Steam client for Apple Silicon Macs, not whether developers' games work on AS Macs. It's two different subjects. So do you have problem with the Steam client itself or do you have problem with only certain games? As I said Steam seems to work fine for many people on M1 Macs so if you have problem with some games you maybe should ask the developer of the game.

[Satoru]

Originally posted by DestructoDisk:

Steam works fine on M1 Macs. The problem is Steam controller support doesn't work inside games. It works for the menus in big picture mode. So 90% of games you cant use a controller in.

And again, this is all going to totally stop working in 2-3 years once Rosetta is killed

[Homy]

Originally posted by Satoru:

And again, this is all going to totally stop working in 2-3 years once Rosetta is killed

And again you keep spreading disinformation. You keep speculatiing instead of looking at facts. As I wrote Rosetta was supported for 5,5 years last time and nothing is indicating that it will be otherwise this time. And by that time Valve has hopefully updated Steam for Apple Silicon.

It's obvious that you're not even a Mac owner and that's the reason you spread your doomsday prophecies about the platform.

[LOVΞFIЯΞ]

I am a mac professional tech thanks very much, i owned macs for last 10 years, i currently have the 16in, I dont own any of the M1 macs yet. which is why i was just inquiring. Making assumptions is not the best path to take. rather clarify, I am only human and suffer from brain injurt so not everything is going to come out in the thought process i intend.

[Homy]

Originally posted by LOVΞFIЯΞ:

I am a mac professional tech thanks very much, i owned macs for last 10 years, i currently have the 16in, I dont own any of the M1 macs yet. which is why i was just inquiring. Making assumptions is not the best path to take. rather clarify, I am only human and suffer from brain injurt so not everything is going to come out in the thought process i intend.

My whole comment about "spreading disinformation" and "obvious that you're not even a Mac owner" was again directed at Satoru as you can see, not you. I have even quoted him so no need to be upset.

[Makise Kurisu]

Valve doesn't have a plan in all likelihood. Their M.O. has been "sit on our ass and collect paycheck" for years now. I'm going to guess they're going to go the route of least effort and just quit making Steam for Mac.

Originally posted by Satoru:

I mean what 'plan' do you want. feel free to go scream at apple for screwing over all the Mac gaming users. APple won't allow steam on the new M1 Macs because everything on the M1 is sandboxed. Apple wont even allow xcloud on iOS devices. Meaning apple has officially killed gaming on Macs

No steam games are compiled in ARM. Meaning its moot ot 'update' the client because 0% of your games will work natively

Oh and in 2-3 years all of them will stop working outright once Rosetta is killed

Why 'fix' it knowing that the platform as a whole is gonna be dead in 2 years

That's a long way to write "I have no clue what I'm talking about"

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Homy:

Originally posted by Satoru:

And again, this is all going to totally stop working in 2-3 years once Rosetta is killed

And again you keep spreading disinformation. You keep speculatiing instead of looking at facts. As I wrote Rosetta was supported for 5,5 years last time and nothing is indicating that it will be otherwise this time. And by that time Valve has hopefully updated Steam for Apple Silicon.

It's obvious that you're not even a Mac owner and that's the reason you spread your doomsday prophecies about the platform.

Rosetta1 was only supported for that long because it took YEARS to get even basic stuff like offic and Adobe to work. That stuff all now works day 1 with M1. A person could pick up an M1 Mac and have 90% of their stuff working.

Stuff now not working on M1 is an anomoaly not the norm.

Meaning you are not going to see a 5 year window. Your stuff is all going to stop working in 2-3 years when Apple rips out rosetta

[Homy]

Originally posted by Satoru:

Rosetta1 was only supported for that long because it took YEARS to get even basic stuff like offic and Adobe to work. That stuff all now works day 1 with M1. A person could pick up an M1 Mac and have 90% of their stuff working.

Stuff now not working on M1 is an anomoaly not the norm.

Meaning you are not going to see a 5 year window. Your stuff is all going to stop working in 2-3 years when Apple rips out rosetta

Funny that you contradict yourself. First you say that 90% of apps work on M1 on day 1 meaning that the developers are much faster to adopt Apple Silicon. Then you say ”your stuff is all going to stop working in 2-3 years because Apple won’t allow Steam on new M1 Macs”??

So if developers are more willing and faster to adopt Apple Silicon why worry that Rosetta will be gone in 2-3 years, why would ”stuff” stop working and why Apple wouldn’t suddenly allow Steam on Macs? It’s more likely, with your own logic, that Steam would soon support M1 natively too. If not that’s Valve’s fault not Apple’s.

Btw Office and Photoshop also worked from day one back in 2006 via Rosetta. Microsoft dropped PowerPC support with Office 2011, at the same time as Apple, 5,5 years later. Adobe dropped PowerPC support in Aug 2008, about 2,5 years after the launch of Intel Macs but Apple kept supporting Rosetta for another 2,5 years.

So if anyone is going to drop the support for Intel Macs and Rosetta too soon it’s the developers, not Apple. Apple supported Rosetta 2-3 years after Adobe/Microsoft dropped their support.

Steam launched for Intel Macs in 2010, 4 years after Apple’s switch to Intel, but they updated the client to 64-bit ahead of macOS 10.14, one year before Apple dropped 32- bit support. Now it’s been only 4 months since the launch of M1 so Valve still has plenty of time to update Steam before Rosetta 2 is gone.

You can also as I said before keep your Mac with the last version of Rosetta 2 and macOS for games you want to keep playing so nothing will stop working, just as many people did during last transition from PowerPC to Intel.

So come back in 2-3 years when you have facts instead of speculations and spreading doomsday prophecies. Before that we could be dead by Covid or some accident so stop worrying and enjoy your games until then.