Ebay…

[kilésengati]

Why do people place bids days before an auction ends. Like, wth. That bid ain't gonna win anyway and is only hyping up the auction, leading to more competitors.

Do you place yours bids early in an auction?

[Azza ☠]

It's called sniper bidding, with the concept that they won't be fighting against each other to drive up the price.

However, these day an auction detects sniper bids and auto-extends the closing time accordingly to allow that price drive fight anyways.

The only way it would logically work these days, is depending on who's still online around the closing time without auto-bidding enabled too. If the auction closes at an odd time of the day, such as when most people are asleep or at work, there might be a chance, otherwise it's just wasting more time.

[Original Cast Recording]

I mean, some people just put their actual maximum price on their first bid. Why wait? It'll only go up if other people bid. If you're bidding on lots of stuff, though, you may have to consider your max potential expenditure, in which case it'd make sense to wait.

[kilésengati]

引用自 Azza ☠：

It's called sniper bidding, with the concept that they won't be fighting against each other to drive up the price.

However, these day an auction detects sniper bids and auto-extends the closing time accordingly to allow that price drive fight anyways.

Iirc, sniping an auction is when you place your bid just seconds before an auction closes.

Never seen an Ebay auction extend past the set end, hence sniping is very common.

[Adversary]

I haven't bought anything from eBay in years. But I do know that is the place you want to buy your heirloom seeds on. Much like how Amazon has cornered the market for self-publishing books, eBay has done similar for heirloom seeds and gardening supplies.

Then again that's also probably where you should buy your orgone and other hippie trippy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because unlike Wish or Temu the fancy resin paperweights on there won't give you cancer or Hepatitis.

[kilésengati]

引用自 NoMoreUnderscores()：

I mean, some people just put their actual maximum price on their first bid. Why wait? It'll only go up if other people bid. If you're bidding on lots of stuff, though, you may have to consider your max potential expenditure, in which case it'd make sense to wait.

This gives away all tactical advantages. You might as well avoid auctions then.

引用自 Adversary：

I haven't bought anything from eBay in years. But I do know that is the place you want to buy your heirloom seeds on. Much like how Amazon has cornered the market for self-publishing books, eBay has done similar for heirloom seeds and gardening supplies.

Then again that's also probably where you should buy your orgone and other hippie trippy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because unlike Wish or Temu the fancy resin paperweights on there won't give you cancer or Hepatitis.

Heirloom seeds? Why heirloom seeds?

[Azza ☠]

引用自 kilésengati：

引用自 Azza ☠：

It's called sniper bidding, with the concept that they won't be fighting against each other to drive up the price.

However, these day an auction detects sniper bids and auto-extends the closing time accordingly to allow that price drive fight anyways.

Iirc, sniping an auction is when you place your bid just seconds before an auction closes.

Never seen an Ebay auction extend past the set end, hence sniping is very common.

Odd, I thought eBay auto-extended too.

Well in New Zealand, we have TradeMe and that auto-extends. It's a much better and safer website than eBay, for local New Zealand listing.

[Original Cast Recording]

引用自 kilésengati：

引用自 NoMoreUnderscores()：

I mean, some people just put their actual maximum price on their first bid. Why wait? It'll only go up if other people bid. If you're bidding on lots of stuff, though, you may have to consider your max potential expenditure, in which case it'd make sense to wait.

This gives away all tactical advantages. You might as well avoid auctions then.

The buyer doesn't get to decide whether the weird old antique they want is for sale by auction or buy-it-now.

[kilésengati]

引用自 Azza ☠：

引用自 kilésengati：

Iirc, sniping an auction is when you place your bid just seconds before an auction closes.

Never seen an Ebay auction extend past the set end, hence sniping is very common.

Odd, I thought eBay auto-extended too.

Well in New Zealand, we have TradeMe and that auto-extends. It's a much better and safer website than eBay, for local New Zealand listing.

I think auto-extension is an option, but never seen it on Ebay in practice.

Here in Germany, there's hardly any competition to Ebay and the platform became highly regulated and moderated after shady and even illegal practices during its inception.

In Germany, Ebay "auctions" are legally not auctions, but auction-like sales. Meaning all consumer protection laws still apply, making it a much more safer place to buy from.

Also, small sellers trying to bypass this by selling as private individuals risk severe fines.

I think the strong regulation is one of the reasons why Ebay in Germany operates as a relatively independent subsidiary and has a much more positive image here than it has elsewhere. It also didn't started as Ebay at all.

引用自 NoMoreUnderscores()：

引用自 kilésengati：

This gives away all tactical advantages. You might as well avoid auctions then.

The buyer doesn't get to decide whether the weird old antique they want is for sale by auction or buy-it-now.

It's still pretty daft. You should always make up your mind about how much you want to pay before placing a bid, else you risk overspending and impulse buying.

[Original Cast Recording]

引用自 kilésengati：

You should always make up your mind about how much you want to pay before placing a bid, else you risk overspending and impulse buying.

That's what I said in my first comment. "Their actual maximium price," meaning the buyer's.

[kilésengati]

引用自 NoMoreUnderscores()：

引用自 kilésengati：

You should always make up your mind about how much you want to pay before placing a bid, else you risk overspending and impulse buying.

That's what I said in my first comment. "Their actual maximium price," meaning the buyer's.

Yes, but why then give it away in your first bid instead of waiting until the end.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

I never used ebay.
there are plenty of interesting items, most notably late 90s computer parts.

but ebay has no payment option that works for me.
-> being dutch we don't use credit cards.. we have debet cards, and online we use the IDEAL payment method.
-> and paypal, is not allowed by our banks either as that would strip me off all warranty should I get hacked.. so it aint an option either.

the dutch ebay.. is quite new.. but it has NONE of those interesting hardware parts ebay.com has on it...

so ebay never has been accesable to me.

forced to remain using marktplaats.nl that has a far smaller offering of items.. very often non of the items I am actually looking for.. like old voodoo cards, soundblaster cards, quality socket 478 and 775 motherboards.. and 21 inch 1600x1200 crt monitors...

[Original Cast Recording]

引用自 kilésengati：

引用自 NoMoreUnderscores()：

That's what I said in my first comment. "Their actual maximium price," meaning the buyer's.

Yes, but why then give it away in your first bid instead of waiting until the end.

It only increases as others bid, so you aren't giving anything away. (Unless an unscrupulous seller can see your bid and has a sock puppet or accomplice to juice the auction.)

Some auctions end in the middle of the night, depending on your time zone. Not everyone wants to follow every auction down to the wire, so they put what they'd be willing to pay and then chill. If it's the one rare thing you've been looking for for years, then I guess you do what you gotta do.

[kilésengati]

引用自 De Hollandse Ezel：

I never used ebay.
there are plenty of interesting items, most notably late 90s computer parts.

but ebay has no payment option that works for me.
-> being dutch we don't use credit cards.. we have debet cards, and online we use the IDEAL payment method.
-> and paypal, is not allowed by our banks either as that would strip me off all warranty should I get hacked.. so it aint an option either.

the dutch ebay.. is quite new.. but it has NONE of those interesting hardware parts ebay.com has on it...

so ebay never has been accesable to me.

forced to remain using marktplaats.nl that has a far smaller offering of items.. very often non of the items I am actually looking for.. like old voodoo cards, soundblaster cards, quality socket 478 and 775 motherboards.. and 21 inch 1600x1200 crt monitors...

Is that so. Here in Germany, Ebay offers practically all common payment methods through various payment processors (mainly PayPal and Klarna, but good grief, I hate Klarna)
The rest is up to the seller. Obviously, since Ebay used to own Paypal, lots of buyers and sellers still prefer that.

Unfortunately, for trading vintage computer gear and synthesizers, Kleinanzeigen (Germany's Marktplaats) has established itself as the main platform when it was still under Ebay ownership - which was fine at the time.
But after they got bought by this investor group it turned to ♥♥♥♥, like everything that gets bought by investors.
They are pushing their own payment processor now and try to fearmonger people into using it instead of the old tried-and-true methods. Plus, moderation is worse than it ever was. Lots of shady stuff that stays online despite reporting, but flags people for even mentioning Paypal or bankwire during a sales chat.
It makes buying and selling there more of a pita than it was before. I only use it if I absolutely have to.

So, for me, reverse situation.

[ZZZZZ]

引用自 kilésengati：

引用自 NoMoreUnderscores()：

That's what I said in my first comment. "Their actual maximium price," meaning the buyer's.

Yes, but why then give it away in your first bid instead of waiting until the end.

some ppl dont want to stalk something for 7days

[De Hollandse Ezel]

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引用自 kilésengati：

引用自 De Hollandse Ezel：

I never used ebay.
there are plenty of interesting items, most notably late 90s computer parts.

but ebay has no payment option that works for me.
-> being dutch we don't use credit cards.. we have debet cards, and online we use the IDEAL payment method.
-> and paypal, is not allowed by our banks either as that would strip me off all warranty should I get hacked.. so it aint an option either.

the dutch ebay.. is quite new.. but it has NONE of those interesting hardware parts ebay.com has on it...

so ebay never has been accesable to me.

forced to remain using marktplaats.nl that has a far smaller offering of items.. very often non of the items I am actually looking for.. like old voodoo cards, soundblaster cards, quality socket 478 and 775 motherboards.. and 21 inch 1600x1200 crt monitors...

Is that so. Here in Germany, Ebay offers practically all common payment methods through various payment processors (mainly PayPal and Klarna, but good grief, I hate Klarna)
The rest is up to the seller. Obviously, since Ebay used to own Paypal, lots of buyers and sellers still prefer that.

Unfortunately, for trading vintage computer gear and synthesizers, Kleinanzeigen (Germany's Marktplaats) has established itself as the main platform when it was still under Ebay ownership - which was fine at the time.
But after they got bought by this investor group it turned to ♥♥♥♥, like everything that gets bought by investors.
They are pushing their own payment processor now and try to fearmonger people into using it instead of the old tried-and-true methods. Plus, moderation is worse than it ever was. Lots of shady stuff that stays online despite reporting, but flags people for even mentioning Paypal or bankwire during a sales chat.
It makes buying and selling there more of a pita than it was before. I only use it if I absolutely have to.

So, for me, reverse situation.

In Netherlands we mostly use IDEAL one of the world safest online payment methods that sadly never is used other than in netherlands and belgium
(mostly due higher transactionfees to sellers..IDEAL charges per transaction between 0.5 and 10 eurocent to the seller the payer never pays anything.
credit cards charge the buyer 0.5% but the seller pays nothing. the fact that IDEAL is much safer is also more of interest to buyers tham sellers..