Mandatory Windows 10 (minimum) to run Steam client?

[Anubis.KaraK]

"Starting January 1st, 2024, the Steam Client will only support Windows 10 and later versions."

Whats the point of buying older versions of games on Steam then?

Im buying older versions of same games to run them on my older machines (Windows XP run beautifully on old hardware where Windows 10 can't even be installed)...

Your thoughts?

[lsdninja]

Postat inițial de Anubis.KaraK:

I was thinking of installing a SteamOS, but then there is a question of authenticity of the oldtimer...

Anyway, since Steam locked out old Windows users (nobody expects them to waste their time providing support, just like Microsoft is not providing support for older OS, but they do still work), old OS users will have to addapt, and the GOG provides exactly what we need, no extra support needed and no fears that one day all the bought titles for Windows10 will face the simmilar fate...

Valve haven’t released an “official” version of SteamOS 3 for anything other than Steam Decks at this point. HoloISO[github.com] is as close as it gets. However, you don’t need SteamOS, you can install Steam on pretty much any Linux distro you care to name and play games that way. Any of the Ubuntu derivatives are probably the place to start, Arch/Debian are for people who really, really like pain.

[r.linder]

Postat inițial de lsdninja:

Postat inițial de Anubis.KaraK:

I was thinking of installing a SteamOS, but then there is a question of authenticity of the oldtimer...

Anyway, since Steam locked out old Windows users (nobody expects them to waste their time providing support, just like Microsoft is not providing support for older OS, but they do still work), old OS users will have to addapt, and the GOG provides exactly what we need, no extra support needed and no fears that one day all the bought titles for Windows10 will face the simmilar fate...

Valve haven’t released an “official” version of SteamOS 3 for anything other than Steam Decks at this point. HoloISO[github.com] is as close as it gets. However, you don’t need SteamOS, you can install Steam on pretty much any Linux distro you care to name and play games that way. Any of the Ubuntu derivatives are probably the place to start, Arch/Debian are for people who really, really like pain.

SteamOS is based on Arch anyway, and EndeavourOS is almost identical to Arch, haven't found it particularly painful, though it would seem like it for people with the technical knowledge of a caveman, where they struggle even figuring out how to work with folders in Windows.

But I digress, Mint is usually the best place to start, though for gamers I would learn towards Pop!_OS or Garuda Linux for their great out of the box experience and ease of use

[lsdninja]

Postat inițial de r.linder:

though it would seem like it for people with the technical knowledge of a caveman, where they struggle even figuring out how to work with folders in Windows.

Arch and Debian are also full of people like this, another good reason to avoid that section of the Linux community like London during the plague…

[r.linder]

Postat inițial de lsdninja:

Postat inițial de r.linder:

though it would seem like it for people with the technical knowledge of a caveman, where they struggle even figuring out how to work with folders in Windows.

Arch and Debian are also full of people like this, another good reason to avoid that section of the Linux community like London during the plague…

I'm sorry, but the only part that should really be confusing that's different from 'easier' distros like Mint is that there's more interaction with command-line interfaces. But that's something that takes little time to learn because there's a vast wealth of information in the Arch Wiki, and the Arch User Repository makes getting pretty much everything you need very simple. You're never going to be completely able to avoid having to use CLIs on Linux.

For the default experience on EndeavourOS (which includes the 'yay' helper), to install a package, it is literally as simple as typing:

yay -S steam

to install Steam. It's easier than a lot of commands on Windows' terminal and easier than some of the clunkier and slow "app stores" on Ubuntu-based distros which don't have much to offer to begin with, whereas AUR has thousands and counting, and the helper tells you what's maintained and what isn't.

[Haruspex]

Postat inițial de Anubis.KaraK:

"Starting January 1st, 2024, the Steam Client will only support Windows 10 and later versions."

Whats the point of buying older versions of games on Steam then?

Im buying older versions of same games to run them on my older machines (Windows XP run beautifully on old hardware where Windows 10 can't even be installed)...

Your thoughts?

Older versions of games run fine on Windows 10/11.

Sometimes you have to put in a little bit more work though to get them up and running, like an extra tweak or setting. This has nothing to do with Steam or Windows 10 though. This is true of Windows 7, it was true of Windows XP, and it's been true of PC gaming since the first time someone played a game on a PC. PC is not console, and there's sometimes a little more effort and know-how involved to get the most out of it, particularly with older games.

Interestingly, I've found that Valve's Proton under Linux actually does better for a lot of older Windows games than Windows does. Some games that I had to fight to get running on Windows 10 just work under Linux. There's at least one game in my library that I could never get to run under Windows 10, but it launches and plays perfectly on my Steam Deck.

Go figure. From one perspective Linux seems to have better compatibility with Windows games than Windows does.

[JC]

the only thing you can really do is set up your Steam library on an older computer, Pull the internet, and lock the thing into a set config and run everything off line. But seeing that date is past now, i'm not sure if that's possible with the updates steam has done.

That said, just buy old games on GOG. They add fixes to help them run on new machines, something steam doesn't do and typically if they are that old that it's something to worry about you can grab them on sales for a couple bucks.

Steam has gotten better at running older games, but it's still not as good as GOG for some titles because they are missing needed updates.

[AntiGrieferGames]

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Postat inițial de lsdninja:

You're assuming there's a disk to back up in this scenario ;)

Well yes, if they have an old game on disc. As long as it run under Win2000/XP then it should be able to run under Win10/11, but these OS block many older games from CD/DVD being installed.

GOG is an option though for sure, with regards to how it offers stand-alone installers so the game from GOG won't be dependent on any game client DRM.

Thats not always the case about dvd physical. Theres something drm-free. I got somewhere Limbo (Disc drm-free) and the fishdom one and it works fine on Windows 10. so 11 will be pretty sure aswell, and see: i dont need any workarounds to work.

Every anti consumer companies/dev, whos putting drm like:

- securom (which taken aways like on Spore did + not possible to remove driver),

- safedisc (Which only works on XP but not on newer system)

- starforce (that breaks Windows)

And that includes Online-Only DRM, Denuvo DRM, nProtect DRM, Steam-DRM and many other drms today, which can took away what you purchase (The Crew by ubisoft already did due for its Online-Only DRM)!

No wonder, which i wouldnt wanna write but still wanna write that due for steam-rules, that the free version works better than legitmate and most of the time.

The Newer Operating System works no issue on free version on old games unlike the legitmate version depends on DRM.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Cause games like TheCrew are online only games anyways.
And it's OLD. It was time to retire it, sorry to say.
Same with GTAV Online, Rockstar finally added stuff in the last 2-3 years or very recently even that the Online should have had all along; it's ridiculous. Oh but instead of retiring it like should happen, they give a big "up yours" to other games like RDR2/RDO; which really makes no sense, other then it just shows how greedy they are.

But overall, when you have games like TheCrew and TheCrew2; as the 1st one matures and grows old, it's really time at around 8-10 years or so to just retire it. You don't need both and you can't keep it running on Win7/8, and you don't want to support such old product on Win10/11; so that's that.