ancalimon Oct 6, 2020 @ 2:51am
Open source abandoned EA games
There are many games that were abandoned while in early access. Do you think it would be a good idea to set up a platform for early access games where the source code is stored & archived and in the event of abandoning the game (like no updates for a year), it automatically opens the source code for other developers to work on?
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ElvisDeadly Oct 6, 2020 @ 2:54am 
Not gonna happen, Steam doesn't own the source code to any of those games.

The individual devs of those games do, but you would need to contact them directly
Last edited by ElvisDeadly; Oct 6, 2020 @ 2:55am
Start_Running Oct 6, 2020 @ 2:54am 
First off:
Your definition of abandoned is incorrect.. if a game is still in Early Access it is still beingactively developed. Slow development is still development. Stalled development is still development.

Secondly
No developer would agree to having their IP and source code distributed like that. Valve would have to pretty much buy the rights which would make it expensive which would basically give Vaklve a reason not to make it open source.
From what I understand some developers can't legally give access to the whole open source code of their games if they're using third party softwares that are under a license because it's would also reveal the source codes for these softwares.

I think Havok physic engine is like this but I'm not sure.
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ancalimon Oct 6, 2020 @ 3:24am 
You misunderstood. I am talking about a closed system that only makes it open source in the event of developers abandoning the name legitimately. I mean them telling people that this game is abandoned.

This would be a way to stop scammers from taking our money and run.

Some developers simply start ghosting customers without updating the game for years. There could also be a way to stop this from happening.
ElvisDeadly Oct 6, 2020 @ 3:35am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
This would be a way to stop scammers from taking our money and run.

Some developers simply start ghosting customers without updating the game for years. There could also be a way to stop this from happening.

Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

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It's written on the Store page for every early access game.

No one forces you to buy them.
ancalimon Oct 6, 2020 @ 3:36am 
Originally posted by ElvisDeadly:
Originally posted by ancalimon:
This would be a way to stop scammers from taking our money and run.

Some developers simply start ghosting customers without updating the game for years. There could also be a way to stop this from happening.

Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

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It's written on the Store page for every early access game.

No one forces you to buy them.

Yes I know.

The question here is that why you don't want a system which protects customers and encourages developers complete the game?

There should be consequences to ghosting customers and abandoning an EA game.
Last edited by ancalimon; Oct 6, 2020 @ 3:39am
Start_Running Oct 6, 2020 @ 3:50am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
Originally posted by ElvisDeadly:

Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

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It's written on the Store page for every early access game.

No one forces you to buy them.

Yes I know. Wouldn't you want a system which protects customers and encourages developers complete the game though?
The system already does that. The customer is always given exactly what they are purchasing and thereby entitled to under Early Access.



Originally posted by ancalimon:
You misunderstood. I am talking about a closed system that only makes it open source in the event of developers abandoning the name legitimately. I mean them telling people that this game is abandoned.
And in such cases you retain the last build that was released. You purchased an unfinished game, the only thing you were promised was an unfinished game, and lo and behold you have an unfinished game.

This would be a way to stop scammers from taking our money and run.
None of them do that. They give you what you paid for in exchange for the money. That is... say it with me...an unfinished game.

Some developers simply start ghosting customers without updating the game for years. There could also be a way to stop this from happening.
Yes. Development takes a while. Things can get shelved for years. Just look at DN4E.

Me thinks you don't quite understand what early access is, given the misunderstandinggs you've already displayed. Might I suggest you just stop buying them.

Much easier than Valve getting into the legal minefield of acquiring rights to code, assets, and IP that goes in a game.

Yes. each of those 3 things are seperate.

Teh code is just the source code. The assets (sprites, textures, models, animatuions, music, sound effects) are an entirely seperate IP, and then there's the characters, story, names, which are yet another seperate IP.

A good illustration of this is the DUne game franchaise. Westwood/EA owns the rights to the code, and assets, but Frank herbert's Estate owns the rights to the lore, world, characters,setting, etc. When the arrangement for licensing expired it was never renewed thusly EA cannot sell any DUne games.,.

In indie games you can literally have each contributor retaining full rights to what they contribuute.

The Artist, the COder, The musician, the voice actor, the writer; they all keep their rights and if one pulls out or is in conflict, then the whole thing gets tiorpedoed. And then when you consider that these arrangements can be timed...
ElvisDeadly Oct 6, 2020 @ 3:53am 
It's worth pointing out,

Let's say your system exists, it just encourages a dev to push out a small update once a year to ensure his game isn't 'abandoned'. You can force people to not abandon a game, you can't force them to make a good game.
Brian9824 Oct 6, 2020 @ 4:34am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
Originally posted by ElvisDeadly:

Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

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It's written on the Store page for every early access game.

No one forces you to buy them.

Yes I know.

The question here is that why you don't want a system which protects customers and encourages developers complete the game?

There should be consequences to ghosting customers and abandoning an EA game.

Because 99% of unfinished games aren't due to scamming, its due to running out of money and the business still OWNS the product they developed so far. There is the option for another studio to buy the rights and take over development.

What your describing is illegal and is theft.
Crazy Tiger Oct 6, 2020 @ 5:54am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
You misunderstood. I am talking about a closed system that only makes it open source in the event of developers abandoning the name legitimately. I mean them telling people that this game is abandoned.
That doesn't mean that Valve can steal the source code and such.

Originally posted by ancalimon:
The question here is that why you don't want a system which protects customers and encourages developers complete the game?
Because you are proposing a system in which developers get robbed.
nullable Oct 6, 2020 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
You misunderstood. I am talking about a closed system that only makes it open source in the event of developers abandoning the name legitimately. I mean them telling people that this game is abandoned.

Developers stopping a project doesn't mean they no longer own the code or that it automatically becomes open sourced. Valve is not going to make that a requirement of using their platform, for very very obvious reasons. The developers already have an option to open source their project and put it on github if that's their wish. Valve doesn't need to be involved. Valve doesn't manage or control any of those Early Access projects.

And even then, just an endless Stream of unfinished "open source" projects. You think there's unlimited interest from developers to work on any and all unfinished games unpaid? Open source isn't a magic word that guarantees software will be worked on or finished.

Originally posted by ancalimon:
This would be a way to stop scammers from taking our money and run.

You buy EA games as is. If that's not suitable to you, then don't buy EA games.

Originally posted by ancalimon:
Some developers simply start ghosting customers without updating the game for years. There could also be a way to stop this from happening.

Without realizing it what you really want is Valve to be a publisher for these games and effectively end Early Access, and definitively cancel failed projects.

Again projects fail. Some of the projects might be part time affairs and circumstances may force developers to stop working on those projects. You can't magically force someone to do work on your schedule. You can't appeal to Valve to strong arm developers either. And there's not unlimited man power or time in a day so that all projects always make steady progress according to whatever arbitrary metrics would satisfy you.
nullable Oct 6, 2020 @ 6:23am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
Yes I know.

The question here is that why you don't want a system which protects customers and encourages developers complete the game?

EA Games have a specific purpose and you're warned on every EA game page. Why don't you read and abide by the warning?

Originally posted by ancalimon:
There should be consequences to ghosting customers and abandoning an EA game.

Sure there are. Same as with any failed or abysmal project. It seems like you don't really understand EA Games and imagine there's a way to make Valve the publisher and give them control over these projects. But it ain't gonna happen.

If you think someone is breaking the rules, report them. If you don't like the rules and want them changed as a matter of convenience, good luck. But more informed people than you have already gone through this and settled on the current system.
Last edited by nullable; Oct 6, 2020 @ 6:23am
ancalimon Oct 6, 2020 @ 6:48am 
Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by ancalimon:

Yes I know.

The question here is that why you don't want a system which protects customers and encourages developers complete the game?

There should be consequences to ghosting customers and abandoning an EA game.

Because 99% of unfinished games aren't due to scamming, its due to running out of money and the business still OWNS the product they developed so far. There is the option for another studio to buy the rights and take over development.

What your describing is illegal and is theft.


It is not illegal and theft if the requirement for Early Access is clearly explained. If you want to make your game early access, you need to put everything inside this address. Everything will be kept closed source unless you decide to abandon the game. If it happens people who bought the game will be free to get the source code finish your game.
Brian9824 Oct 6, 2020 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by ancalimon:
Originally posted by brian9824:

Because 99% of unfinished games aren't due to scamming, its due to running out of money and the business still OWNS the product they developed so far. There is the option for another studio to buy the rights and take over development.

What your describing is illegal and is theft.


It is not illegal and theft if the requirement for Early Access is clearly explained. If you want to make your game early access, you need to put everything inside this address. Everything will be kept closed source unless you decide to abandon the game. If it happens people who bought the game will be free to get the source code finish your game.

That type of clause would be illegal, and even if it wasn't no one would ever agree to it. What your suggesting is that if someone spends millions on a game and runs out of money all their work is then taken from them and given to someone else for free.

Projects and businesses fail all the time, its the risk of investing in a startup. If your not happy with the risk then don't buy Early Access games, its as simple as that.
ancalimon Oct 6, 2020 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by ancalimon:


It is not illegal and theft if the requirement for Early Access is clearly explained. If you want to make your game early access, you need to put everything inside this address. Everything will be kept closed source unless you decide to abandon the game. If it happens people who bought the game will be free to get the source code finish your game.

That type of clause would be illegal, and even if it wasn't no one would ever agree to it. What your suggesting is that if someone spends millions on a game and runs out of money all their work is then taken from them and given to someone else for free.

Projects and businesses fail all the time, its the risk of investing in a startup. If your not happy with the risk then don't buy Early Access games, its as simple as that.

Anyone who is confident and honest would agree to these terms. This way we will have much better early access titles and better organized developers.

My suggestion can only make EA titles much higher quality.
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