Use points to buy games

[Humble Shipper]

So currently the points are honestly useless. Once you get the customization options you want, you still get left over points that just sit there and stockpile up gathering virtual dust. I personally have 60,000+ points that I'm never going to use. In other online stores, currency like that can be redeemed for real world money, but in a gift card sense, meaning that money can only be used in that specific store. Similar to how the Eshop handles this with Nintendo. This should be a feature with steam points, rewarding users for continuous use and purchases.

[SimonaK]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

thanks, I don't want to give the impression that I am stubborn but despite of all it, I like this idea.


According to you, have the artists who created all these animated items for the shop been paid or is it pure volunteering?

They have been paid.

and they ceded all their copyright?

Was it the Valve employees who created the animated items linked to a specific game?

Does Valve make a profit with its shop point ?

[Start_Running]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

They have been paid.

and they ceded all their copyright?

That's standard for art done 'for hire'. The copyright belongs to the entity paying you to do the pretty pictures.

Was it the valve employees who created the animated items linked to a specific game?

Nope, it was the developer/publishers.

Does Valve make a profit with its shop point ?

They are seeing gains that are deemed an acceptable ROI on the expenses of implementation.

[SimonaK]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Was it the valve employees who created the animated items linked to a specific game?

Nope, it was the developer/publishers.

Well, if we take the trouble to observe carefully all the items, it seems that they are all made by the same artist regardless of the game ( same style ). Which easily contrasts with the quality of the wallpapers and emotes and badges when we compare them between them.

Does Valve make a profit with its shop point ?

They are seeing gains that are deemed an acceptable ROI on the expenses of implementation.

oh well, well. What gain? increase of game sales, maybe, maybe not.

[levelzuk]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

thanks, I don't want to give the impression that I am stubborn but despite of all it, I like this idea.


According to you, have the artists who created all these animated items for the shop been paid or is it pure volunteering?

its different, 1. the people who made those had the sole purpose of selling or giving them for cheap. 2. A lot of those were specifically made for the points shop. 3. The price difference is a 3 cent item versus being able to get a $5-10 game free.

[SimonaK]

levelzuk eredeti hozzászólása:

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

thanks, I don't want to give the impression that I am stubborn but despite of all it, I like this idea.


According to you, have the artists who created all these animated items for the shop been paid or is it pure volunteering?

its different, 1. the people who made those had the sole purpose of selling or giving them for cheap. 2. A lot of those were specifically made for the points shop. 3. The price difference is a 3 cent item versus being able to get a $5-10 game free.

You can also have a 10$ emote for 100 pts. and I never been so far than the 50¢ game.

a 10$ game is 1 million pts... you did not know?

But since it's free ... a million pts or 100 pts has exactly the same value, we understand each other.

[levelzuk]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

levelzuk eredeti hozzászólása:

its different, 1. the people who made those had the sole purpose of selling or giving them for cheap. 2. A lot of those were specifically made for the points shop. 3. The price difference is a 3 cent item versus being able to get a $5-10 game free.

You can also have a 10$ emote for 100 pts. and I never been so far than the 50¢ game.

a 10$ game is 1 million pts... you did not know?

$1 = 100 points and you have the worst math i think ive ever seen:

10$ = 1000 points, not 1 million

[Supafly]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Walking into a lion enclosure dressed in crispy fried bacon sounds great...

Thanks, really did make me chuckle

[SimonaK]

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Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Walking into a lion enclosure dressed in crispy fried bacon sounds great...

:lunar2020gigglemonkey: Thanks, really did make me chuckle

Laughs best who laughs last. I am very patient.

levelzuk eredeti hozzászólása:

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

You can also have a 10$ emote for 100 pts. and I never been so far than the 50¢ game.

a 10$ game is 1 million pts... you did not know?

$1 = 100 points and you have the worst math i think ive ever seen:

10$ = 1000 points, not 1 million

but why to be so arithmetic?

a wallpaper costs 2000 pts and how much money you must spent to have 2000 pts?

$20? ...on the market , the same wallpaper cost 5¢, so.

no matter the market price!

getting game on the shop point is VERY VERY luxurious..... you catch? VERY LUXURIOUS.

If you want a game with points, be well prepared. a ton , but a ton of points will be require.

[levelzuk]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Suicidal Monkey eredeti hozzászólása:

:lunar2020gigglemonkey: Thanks, really did make me chuckle

Laughs best who laughs last. I am very patient.

levelzuk eredeti hozzászólása:

$1 = 100 points and you have the worst math i think ive ever seen:

10$ = 1000 points, not 1 million

but why to be so arithmetic?

a wallpaper costs 2000 pts and how much money you must spent to have 2000 pts?

$20? ...on the market , the same wallpaper cost 5¢, so.

no matter the market price!

getting game on the shop point is VERY VERY luxurious..... you catch? VERY LUXURIOUS.

If you want a game with points, be well prepared. a ton , but a ton of points will be require.

That's the point, those items were made to be cheap and to be bought with either extra money in your wallet or as prizes for buying other games. The point you are trying to make is flawed because you cant sell games for free by buying other games. Nintendo only does this because 95% of the games on the Switch are made by Nintendo, so it is fine if they give a discount on their own stuff. But the points you are proposing can either be given away like a coupon, or if they are select games to be bought with points, the developers have chosen to allow those games to be put on the point shop. Also don't tell me to not be arithmetical, because this situation is literally all about numbers and how much people are getting back for the money they've spent. That is why this will never work, Valve and every developer who could potentially get their game purchased for free or for near nothing lose money. It doesn't make sense and it will never happen.

[SimonaK]

Rewarding reviews is a great idea,
but it's mainly because we quickly went around the store.
and Valve surely doesn't want us to end up finding it unnecessary to have points.
We have them, so we have to be able to actually spend it.

Valve talked about other ways to spend our points in the future.

So much the better if that leaves the possibility for the games.

No matter how imaginative I have or not, I don't see anything else on the horizon for the points use.

Do you really want to reward good profiles?

Valve will not need to ask permission to buy game licenses from developers and take those licenses and give them away for points in the store.
As long as the devs sell their license no matter who buys them, that's fine.

Now it's up to Valve and it alone to judge the profitability of this.

[Start_Running]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Rewarding reviews is a great idea,
but it's mainly because we quickly went around the store.
and Valve surely doesn't want us to end up finding it unnecessary to have points.
We have them, so we have to be able to actually spend it

And every sale will brfing new seasonal swag for us to blow points on. With the prices getting ever so slightly higher each time. and maybe new sparkly variants of the same old ones ...

Valve talked about other ways to spend our points in the future.

Yeah which means they'll come up with new swag. Maybe Pay2Play Seasonal Event games. Or maybe nothing new at all. It wouldn't be the first time.

So much the better if that leaves the possibility for the games.

Yeah again. unlikely. I mean sure the possibility is tehre, just like the possibility for picking two consecutive lottery jackpot tickets is possible. AGain the thing to work around is.. who's gonna foot the bill? Yeah I know thats a question you don't like to think about since it ruins the fantasy but that's the way the world works.

No matter how imaginative I have or not, I don't see anything else on the horizon for the points use.

Tunnel vision does that.

And even if at some point a player runs out of things to buy... so what. By that point Valve has pretty much made super bank on the buyer. Thiugh it's unlikely. If they want they can add another dozen or so levels to the Points badge for people to chase after. Or add a new SHiny Points Badge. Its very easy to think of new ways for them to make use of points and then again maybe they don't have to. Remember Gems.

Do you really want to reward good profiles?

WHat does that question have to dio with anything?

[SimonaK]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Do you really want to reward good profiles?

WHat does that question have to dio with anything?

Simply one idea what to do with our points....

You give some points to reward a profile, the owner receives points to get another nice items for his profiles, etc

Edit:

Valve will not need to ask permission to buy game licenses from developers and take those licenses and give them away for points in the store.
As long as the devs sell their license no matter who buys them, that's fine.

Now it's up to Valve and it alone to judge the profitability of this.

[Start_Running]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

WHat does that question have to dio with anything?

Simply one idea what to do with our points....

I already gave several but here's another one. Do nothing. Points would then become the new 'Level' and people will compete just to have the highest.

You give some points to reward a profile, the owner receives points to get another nice items for his profiles, etc

Yeah that's prolly not gonna be a thing. Using the points to actually reward contributions to the steam community as it is now is more fitting me thiks. It encourages and rewards productivity over vanity :)

Edit:

Valve will not need to ask permission to buy game licenses from developers and take those licenses and give them away for points in the store.

Yes they would. Because they currently do.
You really need to spend sometime learning about how things work.

As long as the devs sell their license no matter who buys them, that's fine.

Er no. Because a dev may not want their game thusly devalued.
Epic got into a big problem with this already and they were just offering discounts, not giving them away for free.

Now it's up to Valve and it alone to judge the profitability of this.

Maybe in fantasy land... but here in reality. Its more complicated.

[SimonaK]

You tease me dreamy and you are probably right. I take comfort in telling myself that most businesses start with a dream. ...way of speaking of course.

so..good good... it was quite pleasant and very informative.

All good things must come to an end, right.

Very curious to see the continuation of things with these famous points.

[Tito Shivan]

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

Valve will have the final say anyway.

I leave it all in its hands.

It crossed my mind we maybe already have the response to the suggestion and it was given during the last Summer Sale.

Remember how during the last sales we used to be able to 'purchase' the $5 Voucher with 'points'? Isn't it kind of curious than specifically during the very sale the points shop was released we could no longer 'buy' said voucher with said points?

If you consider previous sale events as the testing grounds of features (The discovery queue, trading, card drops, a points system) One could guess Valve has been certainly testing the waters with the purchasable voucher concept for some time...And it seems it was a feature that never made it out of 'beta'.

SimonaK eredeti hozzászólása:

meanwhile, I have 24000 pts and I don't know what do with.

In a way that's part of how loyalty systems work. You end up paying a lot of points for a beach ball with the brand logo just because there's not much else to do with your miles.