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That clause is invalid because of the first clause with a clear outline. There weren't any numbers attached to the end of each word that would allude to that part of the contract so therefore its a "standalone" clause which means that all the words are their default in definition without altercation or "conditions" that connect to a greater meaning.
You can literally hire lawyer and they would tell you the exact same thing, as long as there aren't any numbers/symbols that would connect the word to a condition to that specific term used, its definition is the default to what it means in a accredited legal dictionary.
And valve clearly has not put any symbols or numbers to the terms and sentences for: "Refund, Any Game, for any reason, just didn't like it"
So in other words they are sueable for: Breach of contract - an act of breaking the terms set out in a contract"
So your fine with consumer abuse? American Express, Bank of America lay out their terms with conditions attached to each word used. I assume you noticed it when you sign up for credit cards? Cashback, unlimited, No annual fee, Up to x% interest all have little numbers and symbols that allude to extra conditions to that term used.
Thats why its called "Terms and conditions" because it's words with specific and clear conditions that MUST BE FOLLOWED IN ORDER TO BE VALID.
You obviously are poor in legalease.
Terms and conditions in other words are Words with conditions that must be followed in order to be valid.
" Refund for any reason "-- if there are no TINY symbols or numbers alluding to additional information, therefore it is legally a standalone word without strings attatched.
The law doesn't care about your morals or "why you think", the law is firm and concise, wether you think its wrong or right. Good and bad morals don't exist in a courtroom.
Terms and conditions
"You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.
This clause doesn't have any conditions attached to key terms that allude to additional information, therefore the consumer can legally assume it means exactly what it would mean in any legal dictionary under US law as there are no "conditions" that come extra.
AAnd you can hire a doctor that will tell you the Homeopathy works. WHat's your point?
Yes. Your refund can be for anty reason. within the time period. But as said, They never said they would let you do this without limit.
The reasons you can use to justify your refund are technically uunlimited. The number of times they'll let you refund isn't.|
Lol your morals don't count in a court of law. What is set in stone must be respected by the contractor and the contractee
If you lose your job and can't find another one for a while, the landlord or bank you pay can legally make you homeless if you don't pay your debts, because it's written in a contract.
They don't care if your suffering or if you will die on the asphalt, they will act without hesitation even though it is seen as cruel and unjust to do to a human being. A contract is a contract, there is no room for errors or morals.
Then is has to be LEGALLY CLEARLY STATED with ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS
Why do you think banks, lease agreements, credit cards have little tiny numbers and symbols used at the end of each term? Because its a indication of a LIMITATION, no such exists for the written one by valve.
So you still are wrong for trying to use your dumb morals in a legal situation. Do you think a bank cares if you lose your job and can't afford mortgage payments? Do you think a landlord will not evict you because you can't pay rent? Nobody in the legal world cares about morals, if its set in stone, then there is no "exceptions" unless there is a clear indication that an exception exists.
So If I have to uphold my end of the bargain, legally the contractor has to do so as well.
Doesn't dismiss that i'm still right wether your morals agree or not. The reason companies are abusive is because people let it happen. It just takes the right person, at the right time and place to take action.
And you can clearly see there are no additional conditions for the terms used in the ToS..
Its like staying in a abusive relationship, you know its wrong but you let it happen anyways because you feel powerless, but only because you didn't do anything about it.
Kind of see why the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor?
For this specific case it has evidence. Valve threatened to stop offering a refund because they "feel like it" when it is clearly against the terms to do so.
Are you mad that i'm giving you facts and not feelings? You can think that way its common with people who love to be bent over.
At the end of the day wether you agree with me or not, doesn't matter, you wanted to debate, I relayed legal facts, you gave me feelings. If you didn't care so much you wouldn't have replied to my OG comment to this mans post.
Its good insight and education to anyone reading, it's helpful to be educated in basic legalease and it is probably helpful to those who have had cases where valve threatened them or flat out stopped issuing refunds, it probably gave them hope that they can do something about it.
So if anybody who can't refund anymore, they can simply layout what I said here and valve would probably give them what they want without hesitation, knowledge is power.
Valve wouldn't risk going to court and waste money over refunds, hence why many court proceedings never happened because they probably just offered the refund and maybe free store credit to "hush hush" despite their issued warnings. -- I worked customer relations, if something wasn't right, wether we were right or wrong, we would still give an incentive.
I don't hate anyone despite what they say to me, at the end of the day its up to them wether they want to confirm the truth, as long as I know the facts and have double checked to confirm they are correct with legal sources and studies from accredited universities like Harvard Law, Yale Law, Oxford and many respected sources.
You are not entitled to unlimited refunds, as it does not state such, nor do they have to specify a specific amount to be seen as abuse; it just has to be a pattern.
Contracts are in their entirety and you must read and apply the contract, in its entirety in order to understand other sections. Cherry-picking, especially when something is not defined as you believe it to be, will not help any case.
As I'll mention, they don't need to specify a number which means it is not unlimited, let's take a close look:
Now, let's focus on important word choice here:
If you have any reason to want to refund, they offer you a refund. Note it's an offer, not mandatory. It does not say that they must refund everything for any reason regardless of the number of times you request it.
Now, the word abuse in this case; To use improperly or excessively; misuse.
Notice the word excessively? If they offer a refund, and you have an excessive amount of requests to use this offer, then they may stop offering them to you.
Finally, misuse which in this case; To mistreat or abuse - so it goes full circle to abuse, and mistreating a system in which you're given an offer, but the offer is not unlimited and can be prone to abuse, which is why they mention if it appears which allows them to make the judgement on such, to determine a limitation based upon how frequently and/or in total you've used it, which can be abusing the system; ie, to improperly use.
In this case it's standard dictionary, easily defined, and clearly up to Valve to determine if you appear to be abusing the system, which any competent lawyer would not take your case, but many lawyers will take any case just to get a hefty payday - the issue is you'll be paying both parties bills per your agreement with Valve, likely in arbitration.
Yet we're speaking of law, since there's a distinct lack of being unlimited, it comes down to if your movement or claim in law has merit (it doesn't), and if it's in good or bad faith; this is bad faith, and that this is also considered frivolous.
They'd be well within contract, and even if you tried a legal move against them, you're under contract for how it'll be handled as well as payment.
You don't need to live in the US to realize a contract can have a clause about one thing directly related to another. It does not specify that you have unlimited refunds, hence why the ABUSE part of it even exists, so you do not have a claim of "that clause is invalid because of the first".
Clear enough for those that actually read it, to understand it.
But hey you're welcome to try taking the matter to court. You wouldn't be the first.
The AACtried and failed on that front. The courts sided with Valve's right to refuse refunds.
Because they are written in such a way that requires them.
It is possible to write these things in ways that do not require them.
They infer caveats and indication special conditions.
Me thinks you're also not quite clear as to how legal contracts function or work. A legally binding contract does not need to be written in any specific format or style. You can technically write a legal contract in rhyming couplets and it would still be binding.
That depends on the bank.
But generally that's not really their concern. You agreed to make a given payment by a given date, otherwise the bank would be empowered to enact the agreed upon penalties.
Again. Depends on the land lord. And again thats niot their problem. You committed to obligations set forth by the contract you signed.
And this is where 'Catch All terms and clauses come into play.
Yes and the bargain you agreed to here is that Valve will define abuse at their discration, and is wiothin their right to denty a refund, and to revoke your right to refund.