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Would you be ok if I visited you and suddenly behaved like an idiot and be rude and destroy stuff that belongs to you?
Why not If no?
Same thing everywhere... the rightfull owner has the right to use their property as they see fit...
There's only one thing proven capable of changing that. And that's legislation.
And while things like the EU's Digital Services Act will (hopefully?) go some way towards restoring a semblance of fairness and balance in at least those parts of the world, asking for more legislation is always a dangerous game of "be careful what you wish for-- because you just might get it."
It was a decision Steam was bound to make. Either fully manage the forums or just be a middleware provider, let devs manage their own spaces and like reddit mostly act at an administrative level.
And it's precisely that where the EU's DSA is set to throw a spanner into the works, because it actually requires the provider of the online platform - i.e. Valve - to adhere to certain legal standards.
The fact that many publishers play fast and loose with rules that fall outside of what has been clearly communicated to end-users as the terms of service for the platform, may already run afoul of what the DSA states - and it could end up causing a lot of headache for Steam and require them to totally re-envision the way the chain of moderation is set up, to ensure they don't get passed the buck for when a publisher screws the pooch.
Reddit and other platforms that allow external parties to moderate are in the same boat.
(And for all of them we can only hope that ultimately it would result in a situation that's good for the end-users.)
its why you have to close your wallet and walk away and hope enough people agree if you want a certain company to cut the crap. people think im joking when i say blizzard is the poster child for how big companies are the problem and will eventually fail. they go heart stone and wow left. cod is to large of a file size to justify for most people and most people are sick of activision blizzard and bnet on a socail level.
the only reason wow is still kicking along is because its grown adults paying a sub who are too busy to know whats up and even then the cracks are forming.
No DSA for Steam as of today.
A betyter question is what are people doing that they need to ask STeam to take their side. I've been around here for over a decade and I've bever encountered a problem with a dev/pub that required steam to get inviolved.. hjeck I can't say I've ever had an issue with a dev puib which. Those I've spoken wiuth always seem rather nice and pleasant.
Then again I don't go into forums to start fights,
Actually check the legal text of the DSA.
VLOPs are beholden to additional measures in the legislation, but the baseline - including the legal requirement for clear communication of terms of service as they apply to content posted on the platform, which is in Chapter 3, Section 1, Article 14 - apply to all online intermediary services, regardless of size or designation.
Section 2 of the same chapter establishes additional provisions that apply to online platforms specifically, among which the requirement to have a notice and take-down mechanism as well as the requirement to provide notification of a decision to apply limitations to an account - such as to remove posted content; or to limit service (i.e. 'ban') - and the standards such a notification must adhere to.
Section 3 of the same chapter establishes further provisions such as the requirement to field an internal appeals procedure and the standards that should adhere to. It's also the first section with limited reach, containing an exclusion for micro and small enterprises.
Section 4 of the same chapter establishes further provisions specific to online market places.
And only when we get to section 5 do we reach the point of additional provisions that only apply to VLOPs and VLOSEs. Those additional provisions are mostly based on applying the provisions from the earlier sections with more rigor and enforcing service providers to perform advance risk assessment and more frequent reporting of their state to the authorities, justified through their stronger presence in and impact on society at large.
what 60 dollar games have actually came out of triple a especially if you bought cosmetics all of them where 100+ with dlc factored.
to many of yall listen to people who lie to your face way way way to often while making excuses for their lies.
hell how many of the recent games where 60 for base game no early access with a 20 dollar day dlc.
a lot of people upset with ARK lately. 30$ for some small content, 4.99$ for one creature.... I get what you're saying
you could literally just collect the additional information the bad actors are hiding and you would have learned ecaxtly why they are so report happy because of who they vote for and the policy they vote for.
most of them btw are Canadian and European where they dont have free speech.
Starcraft 2 wasn't that expensive, eh?
Or is there enough SC2?
Steam has to do business with both devs and end users in order to make sales.
So one theory is that they have to please both and obviously Steam makes SOME
effort to do both.
But for the most part, Steam games aren't available anywhere else and that's what
Steam cares about most. If you can't get the game anywhere else, or even if Steam
is the easiest place to get a game, Steam makes money. It's the same way a Monopoly
works - if you can control the supply, you customers who need that stuff will be forced
to deal with you whether they like you or not.
The more developers sell games only on Steam, the less Steam care about it's customers.
The more developers sell games in many different places, the more Steam would either
have to care about their customers and start losing a lot of revenue. But for the most
part, this isn't what's going on.
Developers aren't allowed to just say no to having a Steam forum with their Steam games, are they?