Impossible murder case?

[Pootis]

I have the worst effing ritual murder case in existence it would seem. No fingerprints literally anywhere. No murder weapon. Victim was a janitor who literally talked with one person her whole entire life (her coworker) and no one else (they didn't do it btw I checked). No calls, at all. The coworker didn't have anything either. No notes or anything. Is there anything you can actually do if someone is just murdered in the street seemingly at random? Anything at all? This is blowing my mind at how there is virtually nothing tying this person to anything and they still got murdered.

[Zalugar]

A few things you can do. 1. Check street CCTV near the murder, including nearby streets you need to get there. Get pins of everyone near the allotted time frame. Ask people around for suspicious people and get a description of them.

2. Check a newspaper after a bit. Maybe it'll give you a good clue about the murder.

3. Check sales records for the type of murder. A lot of places sell razors for slashing, hammers for smashing, but only like 2 places sell guns for shooting.

4. There'll be more opportunities to catch them if all else fails.

[Psyringe]

Search the apartment thoroughly for a crumpled paper with scrambled letters that the killer may have left behind. There's a type of case where this is the only evidence you get, and all other leads get you nowhere. If the murder happened on a street, then the crumpled paper can be generated quite a distance away from the victim, hidden under a car, or otherwise difficult to spot.

Though in my experience, every killer has always left at least one fingerprint (sometimes on that crumpled piece of paper). They can be hard to find (sometimes they are on small objects like a lipstick or a toy car), but I've never had a case without at least one fingerprint from the killer.

[Pootis]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Search the apartment thoroughly for a crumpled paper with scrambled letters that the killer may have left behind. There's a type of case where this is the only evidence you get, and all other leads get you nowhere. If the murder happened on a street, then the crumpled paper can be generated quite a distance away from the victim, hidden under a car, or otherwise difficult to spot.

Though in my experience, every killer has always left at least one fingerprint (sometimes on that crumpled piece of paper). They can be hard to find (sometimes they are on small objects like a lipstick or a toy car), but I've never had a case without at least one fingerprint from the killer.

Will the paper still be there even if the body has already been removed?

[LordBlade]

I had the same issue.

If it is a crumpled paper, it will stay there even long after the case is solved.
The issue is, sometimes it glitches. That's what I had in my game recently. The crumpled papers didn't spawn properly. It wasn't until I loaded the game up again (and made the world reinitialise) that they appeared.

[Pootis]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Search the apartment thoroughly for a crumpled paper with scrambled letters that the killer may have left behind. There's a type of case where this is the only evidence you get, and all other leads get you nowhere. If the murder happened on a street, then the crumpled paper can be generated quite a distance away from the victim, hidden under a car, or otherwise difficult to spot.

Though in my experience, every killer has always left at least one fingerprint (sometimes on that crumpled piece of paper). They can be hard to find (sometimes they are on small objects like a lipstick or a toy car), but I've never had a case without at least one fingerprint from the killer.

Yeah body's not there and the closest security camera footage is not only gone but it wasn't pointed the right direction in the first place.

[DyD&Marina]

Originally posted by Pootis:

I have the worst effing ritual murder case in existence it would seem. No fingerprints literally anywhere. No murder weapon. Victim was a janitor who literally talked with one person her whole entire life (her coworker) and no one else (they didn't do it btw I checked). No calls, at all. The coworker didn't have anything either. No notes or anything. Is there anything you can actually do if someone is just murdered in the street seemingly at random? Anything at all? This is blowing my mind at how there is virtually nothing tying this person to anything and they still got murdered.

Add to the things other said, the game still lack of balance for the creating of clues.

This is true specially for side job, reason why i refunded the game.

But even murders seems to have this problem rarely.

If you can't find fingerprint or shoes print on the scene you are forced to check every people near the victim, all coworkers and people live in the same building.

But this ruin the balance of the future cases.

Because you will have too much informations and you will end cases without even need to investigate.

Until Developers balance properly the procedural algorithm create the clues, you are forced to go randomly checking all people.

Personally i don't wanted to waste time closing cases and restarting city to fix this problems to i refunded, but this are the actual solutions.

[StopDropCTRL]

Impossible is when you have a photography case that you suspect was murdered in an ignored stage of a murder case, got all their deets, broke into and decimated their work and house with no sign of em...

murders tend to rack up victims the slower you are.

[Rusty One Two]

Sometimes clues were left at the scene that are hard to find (or seem to be missing) but the newspaper reporters catch them anyway. When I'm stumped like this I'll buy a paper and see if I missed something at the scene, the current murder should be reported on the left page. This is also a good way to tell what was written on a wall if it overlapped a window or something and wasn't legible. Like others said though, if you don't make any progress with the first body there's bound to be more.

[Maya-Neko]

You could also just wait for a second murder. Chances are high, that it will be in a less strange place, given that most deaths will happen in apartments.

[Pootis]

Tried a new playthrough and immediately ran into a similar issue where there is nothing to go on if the kill happens in an open street. Nobody has seen literally anything happen on the entire street. Nothing unusual from shop vendors or anyone in a mile radius of the street. Good news is that the killer left a suspicious business card... with the only fingerprints belonging to that of the victim. The only insignificant thing I could draw from this case was that there is a security camera pointed... near the crime scene and its view is also mostly obscured by a lamp. I did see that one of his coworkers was spotted in the camera for a brief moment in the window of estimated time of death. I go to her home and after she answered absolutely none of my questions I beat her and her spouse to sleep with a kitchen knife, which the knife seems pretty unbalanced in retrospect since you are literally able to take on an entire building of people since it always two shots (I did test this btw), anyways the coworker had buckshot on their person which is great cuz the victim was killed with a shotgun right? Wrong, no shotgun in the apartment so I still don't actually have anything that pins her to the crime scene. I don't find anything in her apartment either. No strange calls, no crumpled trash notes, no strange emails, nothing in her entire apartment was even slightly incriminating. I guess you would just check every gun store in town at this point, IF I COULD FIND THEM! This is also another issue that seems to appear in this game is that things like this are just plain hard to find, they seem to not have significant names that separate them from any other store so I sort of just went around town searching basements until I realized that would take like 5 hours in the large city I was playing in. At this point I am going back and forth between the only sites of interest that exist in this case which are the crime scene the victims apartment and the suspects apartment and there is NOTHING I checked under every stall and in every dumpster and under every broke down crap car and there is nothing but this seemingly bugged business card that is apparently supposed to have killer prints but it just doesn't! Also the newspaper didn't cover the case either so they were a waste of credits. It has been a bit since the first murder but unlike the first time the killer never actually ended up committing a second murder this time and its been a couple days. idk if its from my constant assault, battery, and imprisonment of the victims coworker and that means it actually is them who killed the victim but this case has seemingly run entirely out of evidence. Oh the victim did have a wife which I was never able to find cause they were never at home and they never at work so they were basically in limbo, but there was nothing at all indicating that they were plotting against her husband in her emails so I can't prove anything.

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by Pootis:

Tried a new playthrough and immediately ran into a similar issue where there is nothing to go on if the kill happens in an open street. Nobody has seen literally anything happen on the entire street. Nothing unusual from shop vendors or anyone in a mile radius of the street. Good news is that the killer left a suspicious business card... with the only fingerprints belonging to that of the victim. The only insignificant thing I could draw from this case was that there is a security camera pointed... near the crime scene and its view is also mostly obscured by a lamp. I did see that one of his coworkers was spotted in the camera for a brief moment in the window of estimated time of death. I go to her home and after she answered absolutely none of my questions I beat her and her spouse to sleep with a kitchen knife, which the knife seems pretty unbalanced in retrospect since you are literally able to take on an entire building of people since it always two shots (I did test this btw), anyways the coworker had buckshot on their person which is great cuz the victim was killed with a shotgun right? Wrong, no shotgun in the apartment so I still don't actually have anything that pins her to the crime scene. I don't find anything in her apartment either. No strange calls, no crumpled trash notes, no strange emails, nothing in her entire apartment was even slightly incriminating. I guess you would just check every gun store in town at this point, IF I COULD FIND THEM! This is also another issue that seems to appear in this game is that things like this are just plain hard to find, they seem to not have significant names that separate them from any other store so I sort of just went around town searching basements until I realized that would take like 5 hours in the large city I was playing in. At this point I am going back and forth between the only sites of interest that exist in this case which are the crime scene the victims apartment and the suspects apartment and there is NOTHING I checked under every stall and in every dumpster and under every broke down crap car and there is nothing but this seemingly bugged business card that is apparently supposed to have killer prints but it just doesn't! Also the newspaper didn't cover the case either so they were a waste of credits. It has been a bit since the first murder but unlike the first time the killer never actually ended up committing a second murder this time and its been a couple days. idk if its from my constant assault, battery, and imprisonment of the victims coworker and that means it actually is them who killed the victim but this case has seemingly run entirely out of evidence. Oh the victim did have a wife which I was never able to find cause they were never at home and they never at work so they were basically in limbo, but there was nothing at all indicating that they were plotting against her husband in her emails so I can't prove anything.

Evidence often gets scattered under / nearby trashcans and dumpsters, or kicked under cars.

[Pootis]

Originally posted by Isabelle:

Originally posted by Pootis:

Tried a new playthrough and immediately ran into a similar issue where there is nothing to go on if the kill happens in an open street. Nobody has seen literally anything happen on the entire street. Nothing unusual from shop vendors or anyone in a mile radius of the street. Good news is that the killer left a suspicious business card... with the only fingerprints belonging to that of the victim. The only insignificant thing I could draw from this case was that there is a security camera pointed... near the crime scene and its view is also mostly obscured by a lamp. I did see that one of his coworkers was spotted in the camera for a brief moment in the window of estimated time of death. I go to her home and after she answered absolutely none of my questions I beat her and her spouse to sleep with a kitchen knife, which the knife seems pretty unbalanced in retrospect since you are literally able to take on an entire building of people since it always two shots (I did test this btw), anyways the coworker had buckshot on their person which is great cuz the victim was killed with a shotgun right? Wrong, no shotgun in the apartment so I still don't actually have anything that pins her to the crime scene. I don't find anything in her apartment either. No strange calls, no crumpled trash notes, no strange emails, nothing in her entire apartment was even slightly incriminating. I guess you would just check every gun store in town at this point, IF I COULD FIND THEM! This is also another issue that seems to appear in this game is that things like this are just plain hard to find, they seem to not have significant names that separate them from any other store so I sort of just went around town searching basements until I realized that would take like 5 hours in the large city I was playing in. At this point I am going back and forth between the only sites of interest that exist in this case which are the crime scene the victims apartment and the suspects apartment and there is NOTHING I checked under every stall and in every dumpster and under every broke down crap car and there is nothing but this seemingly bugged business card that is apparently supposed to have killer prints but it just doesn't! Also the newspaper didn't cover the case either so they were a waste of credits. It has been a bit since the first murder but unlike the first time the killer never actually ended up committing a second murder this time and its been a couple days. idk if its from my constant assault, battery, and imprisonment of the victims coworker and that means it actually is them who killed the victim but this case has seemingly run entirely out of evidence. Oh the victim did have a wife which I was never able to find cause they were never at home and they never at work so they were basically in limbo, but there was nothing at all indicating that they were plotting against her husband in her emails so I can't prove anything.

Evidence often gets scattered under / nearby trashcans and dumpsters, or kicked under cars.

I think I looked under and then threw around every garbage can and barrel on the street.

[Psyringe]

Murders on the street can be tough to investigate. Small items like bullet casings, a lipstick, or a toy car can be extremely hard to spot against the street surface, and can be generated under or behind other objects. It's possible that they can also fall through the ground (hard to verify). Writing on the walls in street murder cases is (in my experience) even more bugged than in apartments and thus easy to overlook.

If you're confident that you've searched everything thoroughly, then it's definitely possible that some supposed piece of evidence has glitched out.

But if I understand correctly, then you already have evidence that puts the suspect at the murder scene - the security camera footage, right?

So if you arrest the suspect, select them as the murderer in your case resolution form, enter their address, select a printout of the camera footage as linking evidence, and don't specify a murder weapon, shouldn't the case get solved? You don't need a murder weapon to solve a case, you just get an additional 300 crowns for finding it.

[Pootis]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Murders on the street can be tough to investigate. Small items like bullet casings, a lipstick, or a toy car can be extremely hard to spot against the street surface, and can be generated under or behind other objects. It's possible that they can also fall through the ground (hard to verify). Writing on the walls in street murder cases is (in my experience) even more bugged than in apartments and thus easy to overlook.

If you're confident that you've searched everything thoroughly, then it's definitely possible that some supposed piece of evidence has glitched out.

But if I understand correctly, then you already have evidence that puts the suspect at the murder scene - the security camera footage, right?

So if you arrest the suspect, select them as the murderer in your case resolution form, enter their address, select a printout of the camera footage as linking evidence, and don't specify a murder weapon, shouldn't the case get solved? You don't need a murder weapon to solve a case, you just get an additional 300 crowns for finding it.

I guess I just just didn't want to be docked 100 points for getting it wrong. The only proof I have is the sec footage and shells.

[Rusty One Two]

Originally posted by Pootis:

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Murders on the street can be tough to investigate. Small items like bullet casings, a lipstick, or a toy car can be extremely hard to spot against the street surface, and can be generated under or behind other objects. It's possible that they can also fall through the ground (hard to verify). Writing on the walls in street murder cases is (in my experience) even more bugged than in apartments and thus easy to overlook.

If you're confident that you've searched everything thoroughly, then it's definitely possible that some supposed piece of evidence has glitched out.

But if I understand correctly, then you already have evidence that puts the suspect at the murder scene - the security camera footage, right?

So if you arrest the suspect, select them as the murderer in your case resolution form, enter their address, select a printout of the camera footage as linking evidence, and don't specify a murder weapon, shouldn't the case get solved? You don't need a murder weapon to solve a case, you just get an additional 300 crowns for finding it.

I guess I just just didn't want to be docked 100 points for getting it wrong. The only proof I have is the sec footage and shells.

It's a long shot but you might be able to lift a fingerprint from the shells. I've had better luck picking them up into my inventory and using the scan button there than just scanning them directly on the ground.