355 hours played and Mistlands made me want to quit the game for the first time

[SOLOMON]

my buddy and i have been having a great time on a new playthrough up until this point. we played when Valheim first launched and now we were really excited, and finally ready to get to the Mistlands.

after nearly all day "exploring" the biome... i hate it.

slight disclaimer: i like a lot of "difficult" games. i play monster hunter, souls games, etc. challenges are cool. i played when the game first came out and was in love with the Plains and the crazy strong, long-range deathsquito hunterkillers. it was exciting and fun. Mistlands doesn't feel particularly "challenging," it just feels like all of the worst qualities of each previous biome thrown into one biome and the act of "exploring," which had up to this point been my favorite part about Valheim, is not fun in Mistlands. it's tedious and there's very little payoff because hardly nothing ever seems worth the hassle.

i hate the mist, i can't help but constantly strain my eyes trying to see further into it and it's given me a headache like i've not experienced in any game before.

the inability to traverse without massive dumps of stamina makes fighting anything a huge chore. even trying to make sure i always have rested buff and stam potions, i am somehow always stamina starved. the enemies aren't too difficult but the terrain makes it abysmal because verticality and Valheim's hitboxes do not mix well, and it's hard to tell whether or not you're running into one enemy or 4 until it's far too late.

having to place a million wisp torches just to have some sort of escape plan if things go south (which usually happens when a gjall sneaks up on me) but they only just barely put a dent in the fog.

navigating boats in the island sections is a nightmare. trying to escape a gjall that's exploding your ship while going at 1speed because you can't see 10ft in front of your boat or make the turns necessary at higher speeds, or you have headwind, etc.

i don't know. i'm extremely disappointed, and i'm fairly sure both of us have decided after today our playthrough is over. i think if i do another playthrough, i'll stop with the plains again because i just really have no desire to ever step foot in the Mistlands again.

i don't expect anything but mockery for this post, so go for it. i'm just venting because i'm sad that my friend and i had such a miserable time after being so excited to get here.

[JudgeMental1337]

touch some grass mate, I´m long over this game. Was good while it lasted to be honest had a freaking good time with it.

[spacedog]

I was enjoying the bejeezus out of this game with my wife, until we hit the mistlands. That whole biome was a claustrophobic slog. It's not difficult, it's just super irritating -- the opposite of why I'd want to play a game. We ended up rushing the boss just to be out of there, versus taking our time like every single other biome.

Unfortunately, the dev has heard this feedback from the majority of their players, but they don't seem interested in changing anything. It turned me off to this studio a bit, because it made it crystal clear that they released in early access just to get money, versus out of a desire to actually make their game more fun.

[DexGames]

While they're working the Deep North 1.0 release right now, they're also revisiting every old biomes to change / add / remove / tweak things.

The Mistland Update released 2 years ago now, and since then, the sheer Quantity of posts about the mist, "help us deal with the mist", "more ways to deal with the mist", etc is definitely something they saw.

Now whether they'll acknowledge that we REALLY don't like how it works "now", and deal with it or not, is another question.
But what leads me to think that they will do "something", is that there are objects, (that you have to cheat to get access to), that ARE PRESENT in the game already !
It's called "dverger demister_large or something like that, and it pushes the mist away in a perfectly, large enough area, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, you can't build it, you have to cheat.
But it is in the game.
We all know the small "blue bulbs" thingy is just not enough to deal with the mist.
They just have to give us access to the demister to solve the mistlands.
Like... literally. Give me this thing and I'm happy in the mistlands.

Will they do it or not ? I don't know.
But they are revisiting all the previous biomes and will inevitably go over the mistlands at some point.
It's THE most popular subject of complain about the game, 1st ahead of "ashland too hard"

(which is not, imo, git gut noobs)
jk guys cmon 😅

And no bashing on you.
A large portion of the player base think the same.
We just don't have enough tools to deal with the mist.

I think, and I hope they'll do "something" about it...

[Veseljko]

I felt the same when i played Mistlands for the first time.
The second time i played it was meh. Not great, but not too bad either. I already knew what to expect, how to approach different situations, what to look for… so it felt much easier.
The third time (and each time after that) i absolutely loved it. I enjoy the ambient. I love the colors in early morning and evenings.
My friends didn’t like Mistlands that much so I spent a lot of time alone out there, leveling up my magic skills, growing crops and getting mats for my mage tower. I love to build on those high pillars.

The only thing i didn’t like are new skills. I do like magic, but i don’t like how they implemented it so late in the game and forced us to spend a lot of hours to level it up to make it useful. At that point I already have my primary and secondary weapon skill, as well as bows skill, over 50. And if I want to make magic useful, I have to go back and use it in black forest or swamp to get it at least to level 30 to be at par with my other skills. The same goes for crossbow. That one should be available in black forest so i can chose between it and bows earlier. This way bows always wins and i will maybe make a crossbow just to hang it on the wall.

[CMB]

Yeah, the mistlands biome is extremely annoying and unfunny.
Seekers that instaleap to you and can stay in the air for eternity make any positional tactics and crowd control useless. They also deal absurdly large amount of knockback tossing you dozens feet away
Seeker brutes are annoying damage sponges (even if you're lucky to never meet the 2-starred ones), and even more annoying in solo due to their absurdly fast turning speed.
Gjall is ok, but his ticks can be buggy and unpredictably bounce off terrain.
Dvergr are punchbags that are usually being torn to pieces by seeker spawns and their buildings being obliterated by brutes and gjalls in couple of hours being around their fortresses (they also tend to destroy their own defence and especially the totem with aoe spells).
The landscape is randomly wobbly and unimmersive (I've explored some mistland area before the actual patch and got some "naked" mistland landscape - it is just effortless perlin noise bumps and pits), hidden in the mist. Destroyable rock formations destroy uncontrollably, making strategic or cosmetic terraforming messy thus impractical.
Building is practical only on previously destroyed or abandoned dvergr camps since these are the few flat surfaces in the biome. And you won't be able to see anything but mist and perlin moise bumps around you, so why bother building there.
The boss location is an essence of all mess the biome have - multiple flying enemies, ladders on which you can't hit your target, annoying mist and the sponginess of the actual boss (took me over 30 minutes to solo it with skeletons and fireball magic - this is by a half more than a maximum rested buff lasts)

Worthy predecessor of the trAshlands biome.

[Artanis]

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İlk olarak >< V >< tarafından gönderildi:

All my friends and I played Mistlands for a couple hours and all agreed to get the mod MistBeGone and we never looked back.

In a game about exploration and seeing things, adding a dense fog is just bad game design. Just get rid of it.

If I want the challenge of fumbling around because I can barely see anything, then I'll turn all the lights off in my house and throw a needle into my living room and try to find it. Maybe I'll even place some lighters here and there to give me a little light.

yeah i grabbed a mod that increases my wisplight by a huge amount. it's helped tremendously with my enjoyment.

i kinda like seeing the mist off in the distance. i do NOT want to see it 10 feet in front of my face lol

I recommend another mod called combat slope fix, that enables you to aim up and down with melee weapons (just the hitbox not the animation), because not having that in the base game is a bizzare decision by the devs, especially in mistlands

[Lunacy]

I can deal with the mistlands, but having to find 9 of those seal fragments when each infested mine has a 33% chance of having just 1 was just an awful grind.

[Frozztastic]

After reading through this thread I did something I've never done before.

I downloaded a mod.

300 hours of Valheim and I just installed my first one. That one to get rid of the mist, and it has made the "Mistlands" actually enjoyable. No more frame-rate issues, no more having to keep zoomed in on my shoulder to see what's in front of my face - just fun progression.

Then I watched a seeker soldier take down part of a Black Marble Tower, so now I have 6 chests full of stuff from that.

[SOLOMON]

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After reading through this thread I did something I've never done before.

I downloaded a mod.

300 hours of Valheim and I just installed my first one. That one to get rid of the mist, and it has made the "Mistlands" actually enjoyable. No more frame-rate issues, no more having to keep zoomed in on my shoulder to see what's in front of my face - just fun progression.

Then I watched a seeker soldier take down part of a Black Marble Tower, so now I have 6 chests full of stuff from that.

I am happy to report i have done similar (not fully remove but made the mistbuddy clear WAY more fog) and i am now enjoying the mistlands much, much more. that's literally all it took was to make the wisp clear.... like 10x farther than it currently does lol. i can still see thick mist far enough out that it does present some navigational issues, but i no longer feel claustrophobic and blind.

[Shadow Wizard Fluffy Gang]

I find Mistlands is better after experiencing it once.

Maybe I am better at sniffing out locales, but once you know the shapes of things you can identify dungeons a lot of the time by seeing just part of the rock or even walking upon it.
You can also find dungeons by listening for Seekers and following that or where they attack from. If you only navigate the Mistlands by day, enemy encounters are kind of rare, and at least half the time are guards from a dungeon.

Barley Wine is a staple of my kit for fighting Gjalls, and a portal is a dedicated part of my inventory for taking breaks and ferrying back dungeon loot.

Really my only gripe now is the Dvergr's remain a massive threat to me, I always die to them every playthrough.


With that said, I understand the Mist is oppressive. I don't believe in removing it since that seems (to my taste) a bit cheaty. I do use Better Wisps however, it takes a fortune in silver but the final tier for the wisplight cuts a big area around you and seems balanced to me. The mist is still there but now I can enjoy the biome's beauty.

[Chief_Curtains]

Mods should never be a "solution" to an issue, but this is an in-development game, so it's fair here.

Get the better wisps mod. You can upgrade the wisp to tier 4 and it makes a huge difference without taking away the challenge of the zone. It is worth it to push forward into and past the mistlands. It's an awesome environment, but it is a cluster without that mod.

[Baraldi]

The game starts to be bad then, then it gets worse due to the artificial difficulty, the developers don't add 1 item to improve exploration in this biome EVER, they are so lost in development and you will understand when you enter Ashlands

[JimmyEatSquirrel]

Veteran player here, have totally conquered the Mistlands many times. Seems every day there is a post similar to this. But let me help..


"...it's tedious and there's very little payoff because hardly nothing ever seems worth the hassle."

--Its a little slow going at first but once you are geared up it gets much easier. The ML weapons and gear are really badass and worth the struggle IMO"

"the inability to traverse without massive dumps of stamina makes fighting anything a huge chore"

-I stick to the low lying areas till I get better gear. Sometimes I do climb up carefully looking for points of interest. Go slow at first.. there wont be any charging and running around kicking the *bleep* out of everything at first in the Mistlands. ( you will later)

" it's hard to tell whether or not you're running into one enemy or 4 until it's far too late."

-If you have headphones use them. You can generally hear everything before you see it. This was a game changer for me.

"having to place a million wisp torches just to have some sort of escape plan if things go south (which usually happens when a gjall sneaks up on me) but they only just barely put a dent in the fog."

-I never used torches.. see comment above regarding headphones and taking it slow at first.

"navigating boats in the island sections is a nightmare. trying to escape a gjall that's exploding your ship while going at 1speed because you can't see 10ft in front of your boat or make the turns necessary at higher speeds, or you have headwind, etc."

- I never sail in the mistlands. I go ashore in a neighboring biome such as the plains or better yet black forest and set up a Forward Operating base with a portal. Then I take another portal with me into the Mistlands.

I can't guarantee anything but once you get fully geared with ML gear and have conquered the Mistlands you will feel totally badass. I did. After your 1st run through and learning how to find things and learning how to tackle the mobs it's much more enjoyable.

After the ML boss its on to the Ashlands where there is no mist... but a punishing hellhole awaits. I just took down the AL boss today and it was a real thrill. Only the most badass of Vikings make it to Valhalla!

Skal! Good luck and don't give up. =)

PS: My favorite helpful ML items: Frost Arrows, Ooze Bombs ( swamp), Fire resist pots, AOE damage such as an Ategir or Iron Sledge. Frostner if you are a hammer build.

[>< V ><]

Veteran player here.

It's your entertainment. If you don't like it, then don't do it. This is entertainment, not a job. If you like the mist, then enjoy it. If you don't like the mist, then get rid of it.

I mean, I could try to convince people that like the mist to not like it, but why would I do that? Seems silly to me to try and convince people that they should like what I like. I'll just let you like what you want and make no effort to convince you to get rid of the mist.

[FruitBat Man]

I thought when it first came out it was the learning curve I disliked. Nope. I just don't like the biome at all. I have an add on that removes mist. It makes it playable but not enjoyable. I just really dislike mistlands and ashlands. Too gimmicky