AWESOME CONTROLS but some valuable 'input' ^^

[tedats]

I love the game entirely tbh though I have one thought that I'm sure is already on your minds devs, but thought I'd post just incase it isn't:

When you do a 180 to manual, the front foot and back foot gets switched or muddled. When you do a grind, it does it properly, though when you try to pop out of that grind, it's muddled again.

If you guys are having debates about this here's my view:
If I do a reg 180 to Nose manual, the nose manual should be done with the right stick, just like if I was to do a nose manual while switch. Same with the grinds. Basically, Anything I've regular 180'd into, should respond as if I were just doing the trick switch.

I hope I'm making sense but having it where it keeps the nose manual as what it would be if I was just doing an ollie to nose manual is super confusing, given the direction you guys are going with this game. It should be more brutal because frankly that is much less confusing.

I suspect you want it this way too and are just figuring out how to code it or whatever.

[tedats]

PS watch my video if you think the controls are crap. They aren't crap you just need to be better, or play skate, or thps, which already exist. This isn't that. https://youtu.be/jH9pXlfzLrM

[_Gustavo]

The switched animations for flips and heels are a already known issue, if you take a closer look if you do a 180 to manual and flip out the character will make the motion of a heelflip

[tedats]

Originally posted by _Gustavo:

The switched animations for flips and heels are a already known issue, if you take a closer look if you do a 180 to manual and flip out the character will make the motion of a heelflip

Thanks but this doesn't relate to what I mean. Do a 180 ollie and try to do a manual. To do a regular manual, you hold back the right stick, to do a switch manual, you hold back the left stick. You would think that to do a reg 180 to switch manual, you would do the manual by holding back the left stick, but this doesn't work.

The way it is:
reg 180 to manual, hold left stick FORWARD to then do a switch manual

The way it should be:
reg 180 to manual, hold the left stick BACK to then do the manual


Just like as it is, for doing a manual either switch or regular

manual: hold right stick back
Switch manual: hold left stick back.

I really hope that gets across what I mean. Thanks for the thoughts though that's good to know.

I was saying as well that this DOES work for grinds, just like it should though, when you then try to pop out of that say, 5.0, it doesn't work like it should.

[tedats]

Also when pressing the front foot down to catch, this should change mid rotation too. So If I'm doing a fs flip, I pull the right stick down to catch instead of the left for just a straight kickflip.

[tedats]

Maybe some people would think the way I'm saying sounds complicated but I hope not. This is what would be Intuitive once getting to grips with the general learning curve that's involved anyway. I'm almost reluctant to try to learn how to do the stuff I'm saying with the current control set because it should be changed, and I don't want to get into a bad habit before it does.

[[Chrk*Brvs] Cpt. Sam Hyde]

its becuase when you 180 you are still using that foot/stick to apply pressure/your weight. Your front foot when you do the 180 will be your back foot when landing in the switch manual, so it makes sense how it is now

[tedats]

Originally posted by Chrk*Brvs Cpt. Sam Hyde:

its becuase when you 180 you are still using that foot/stick to apply pressure/your weight. Your front foot when you do the 180 will be your back foot when landing in the switch manual, so it makes sense how it is now

I see what you are saying and i'll think about it but, the grinds are the way I propose, and it isn't causing any problem at all. Try to do a 180 to 5.0, and you will see how awesome and, the way it should be, it is.

Like I say I'll have a think but I'll ask you do do the same once you've tried a 180 to 5.0, by pulling the left stick back to get into the 5.0.

Either way, one needs to change so it's at least a consistent theme, though I prefer the way it is for the grinds myself.

[[Chrk*Brvs] Cpt. Sam Hyde]

Originally posted by tedats:

Originally posted by Chrk*Brvs Cpt. Sam Hyde:

its becuase when you 180 you are still using that foot/stick to apply pressure/your weight. Your front foot when you do the 180 will be your back foot when landing in the switch manual, so it makes sense how it is now

I see what you are saying and i'll think about it but, the grinds are the way I propose, and it isn't causing any problem at all. Try to do a 180 to 5.0, and you will see how awesome and, the way it should be, it is.

Like I say I'll have a think but I'll ask you do do the same once you've tried a 180 to 5.0, by pulling the left stick back to get into the 5.0.

Either way, one needs to change so it's at least a consistent theme, though I prefer the way it is for the grinds myself.

I just did a few 180 switch 5-0's and that does feel really good. Perhaps they could make this an option to change. We have all kinds of way to spin, might as well have the choice here too!

[tedats]

Originally posted by Chrk*Brvs Cpt. Sam Hyde:

Originally posted by tedats:

I see what you are saying and i'll think about it but, the grinds are the way I propose, and it isn't causing any problem at all. Try to do a 180 to 5.0, and you will see how awesome and, the way it should be, it is.

Like I say I'll have a think but I'll ask you do do the same once you've tried a 180 to 5.0, by pulling the left stick back to get into the 5.0.

Either way, one needs to change so it's at least a consistent theme, though I prefer the way it is for the grinds myself.

I just did a few 180 switch 5-0's and that does feel really good. Perhaps they could make this an option to change. We have all kinds of way to spin, might as well have the choice here too!

Ahh delighted you thought so too. I hope more people can check out this thread and give some thoughts. Good idea man.

[Misfit]

you can reset the manual stick position, its a bit awkward, but if you let the stick go and quickly do the usual trigger position for your type of manual, the game register it as a switch manual as an example.

[tedats]

Originally posted by Misfit:

you can reset the manual stick position, its a bit awkward, but if you let the stick go and quickly do the usual trigger position for your type of manual, the game register it as a switch manual as an example.

Thanks that's cool to know but I can't make it do it lol

[pyide_maybe]

This a real problem that they need to address.

SkaterXL gets by it by never reversing the controls based on your position to the camera like Session. So you do a fakie ollie the same exact way you do a normal ollie, with down on the right stick.

It makes so much sense and feels incredibly natural in action, and there aren't those times where the controls become convoluted or even unresponsive when they "flip" based on your orientation. I don't think Session has to do it the same way, but an option would be nice if they can't figure out how to do what you're proposing.

Things get even funkier in Session when reverts are involved: https://steamcommunity.com/app/861650/discussions/0/1628538005503467424/?ctp=9#c1628538005521976372 kind of broken, try messing with it yourself.

[tedats]

Glad you see what I mean too pyide_maybe. I really like what they are going for with changing between switch and regular but the issues I'm talking about are like, completely moving away from that vision based on a technicality as well pointed out by Cpt. Sam Hyde.