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mikeydsc May 3, 2020 @ 2:53pm
Obtaining Prag is a &^%$#$ chore
So 3 of us today started looking for prag spires so we could finish making a hoover board.

3 hours later - no spires and no board.

Is prag meant to be a premium item? Super rare or just not enough spawning in world for people to find.

If those dirt columns in the dessert are place holders for the spires to appear. then a no build zone should be placed around them as there are many of them covered up by land claims.

If this is the game play going forward - wasting time hunting for non existing materials that allot of the game depends on, might be time to move on. This game is grindy enough without losing hours just hunting for 1 spire.
Originally posted by ai_enabled:
@Bob The UnNamed,
hello! As you have probably noticed, players practically stopped telling us that pragmium is too rare for over a year in this topic.
There were many changes to make it much more available. You can obtain pragmium in the desert (now it spawns more actively there and you can use pragmium sensor device to help locate it!), volcano, collect plenty of it after defeating Pragmium Queen boss (very useful in end-game), and obtain some bonus amounts in the fishing and psi grove events.

Also, in the upcoming A30 Update, we've changed that optical components no longer require pragmium, and rebalanced other recipes as well as sources of pragmium. This way establishing solar power generation will be much easier.

Regards!
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AtomicTorch Studio  [developer] May 3, 2020 @ 11:08pm 
It could simply be bad luck. But there are several ways to obtain it.

One example is running around the desert searching for pragmium spires, but it is mostly suitable for those who live in the desert or close to the desert. It depends on your luck a lot. Plus if there are other players searching for it you might not be able to find it right away.

Then there are two volcano areas (western and north east) where you can just come and farm pragmium directly (without searching for spires), but it does require good equipment and preparation. But at least it gives guaranteed return.

And finally, you can simply buy pragmium from other players. It is the easiest and safest choice if you are just starting out.

As for "dirt columns" - no, those are just decorations. Pragmium spawn is completely random. And no, it doesn't depend on the player claims or other structures. It will always spawn the correct amount.
mikeydsc May 4, 2020 @ 8:10am 
Originally posted by AtomicTorch Studio:
It could simply be bad luck. But there are several ways to obtain it.

One example is running around the desert searching for pragmium spires, but it is mostly suitable for those who live in the desert or close to the desert. It depends on your luck a lot. Plus if there are other players searching for it you might not be able to find it right away.

Then there are two volcano areas (western and north east) where you can just come and farm pragmium directly (without searching for spires), but it does require good equipment and preparation. But at least it gives guaranteed return.

And finally, you can simply buy pragmium from other players. It is the easiest and safest choice if you are just starting out.

As for "dirt columns" - no, those are just decorations. Pragmium spawn is completely random. And no, it doesn't depend on the player claims or other structures. It will always spawn the correct amount.


If 3 players in 3 hours cant find any with each one of us covering a different part of a desert and cant find it, then it may be time to think about boosting the spawn rate.

People work and dont have 10 hours a day to search for stuff needing to progress. If this is the progress wall that you devs want, congrats. All it will do is chase off players wanting to progress but due to time limitations cant.

Some players can grind hours and hours a day to progress and regular players who can only spend a couple hours a day wont. Nice job. I refuse to spend all my free time just looking for prag to progress. And yes we have a base in desert almost all the way to tthe east of map.

EngineerRabbit May 4, 2020 @ 8:26am 
i agree, i want some sort of special prag mining machine to pump prag out of the earth in the future.... i cant fight off T4 war machines in the desert or the volcanoe area's... you'll get shot and killed everytime but way more tougher players than you. i want fair balance for those who cant fight back.... or make solar panels NOT prag needed
themeowstardcat May 4, 2020 @ 12:22pm 
Originally posted by EngineerRabbit:
i agree, i want some sort of special prag mining machine to pump prag out of the earth in the future.... i cant fight off T4 war machines in the desert or the volcanoe area's... you'll get shot and killed everytime but way more tougher players than you. i want fair balance for those who cant fight back.... or make solar panels NOT prag needed
IDK why solar panels even should require that imo. It should be available early game since during the day they collect the power and at night you have to use batteries or steam gen to keep base running.
I really like the concept but a lot of stuff is very grindy and that pushes people away. Not saying to make it easy just less grindy not everyone has a crap ton of free time to grind in a game.
Last edited by themeowstardcat; May 4, 2020 @ 12:22pm
AtomicTorch Studio  [developer] May 5, 2020 @ 1:35am 
We have just released a small update to make pragmium more accessible. And yes, you don't need to hate on us just to make something happen. We are not an AAA developer company, so we actually listen for your feedback :)

Just share your thoughts! Even if something might not change right away it's still important to hear what people think when the next round of changes comes.

Anyway, as I said we have just released a small patch. Here are the changes in relation to pragmium:
- Adjusted respawn of pragmium spires in the desert to ensure they will respawn in at least x2 larger amount—the game server will also respawn even more per spawn iteration if there are many players on the server (automatic scaling applies).
- Server scaling of resource respawn rate changed to start earlier (previously it applied only in 100-200 players range, now in 50-200 players).


Basically it means that pragmium will respawn slightly faster and it will take number of players on the server into account sooner, thus offering better scaling of spawning depending on number of players.

I hope it works for you guys :)
Last edited by AtomicTorch Studio; May 5, 2020 @ 1:40am
mikeydsc May 5, 2020 @ 6:35am 
You guys rock. Thanks very much. Time to go do some farming. Hopefully get our other board running.
ai_enabled  [developer] May 5, 2020 @ 3:02pm 
I've checked the server logs for the past 24+ hours and it seems the desert always has at least x2 more pragmium pillars than it had before, even during the prime time. It's still a scarce resource but there should be enough for everyone, we hope!

Enjoy the game!
Last edited by ai_enabled; May 5, 2020 @ 3:03pm
mikeydsc May 5, 2020 @ 7:39pm 
Its working. People been liking that tweaked rate. Still have to look, but at least some is there, just keep looking.

I did do 30 mins today in desert and found 2 spires. Got 1 and had to pass on other. It spawned beside a lava vent so I cant deal with that heat yet, but something new to work for.

Thanks, works much better now, most folks are pleased too.
SomebodiesKID Apr 13, 2021 @ 11:12pm 
I don't know, I might have to give up because of this. Was fun till this point, Really like the crafting and building parts.
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ai_enabled  [developer] Apr 14, 2021 @ 6:27am 
@Bob The UnNamed,
hello! As you have probably noticed, players practically stopped telling us that pragmium is too rare for over a year in this topic.
There were many changes to make it much more available. You can obtain pragmium in the desert (now it spawns more actively there and you can use pragmium sensor device to help locate it!), volcano, collect plenty of it after defeating Pragmium Queen boss (very useful in end-game), and obtain some bonus amounts in the fishing and psi grove events.

Also, in the upcoming A30 Update, we've changed that optical components no longer require pragmium, and rebalanced other recipes as well as sources of pragmium. This way establishing solar power generation will be much easier.

Regards!
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