is manga Literature ?

[luci-27master]

like for real does manga count as Literature ?

[Dusk_Army]

The definition of literature is, "written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit." So, simply put, the answer is a manga can be literature, but just as not all novels are literature, neither is every manga. That is, if the "...superior or lasting artistic merit," part is the most important part of the definition. If it isn't, then all written works (regardless of medium, format, or quality) are literature.

[DortSnort]

isn’t literature like... artistic stuff? I can’t really assimilate comic books with literature.

[Bridget-Chan]

Originally posted by luci-27master:

like for real does manga count as Literature ?

Well, my high school library had a shelf entirely dedicated to manga so I'm going to assume yes, it IS literature.

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Thatoneguy:

Originally posted by luci-27master:

like for real does manga count as Literature ?

Well, my high school library had a shelf entirely dedicated to manga so I'm going to assume yes, it IS literature.

school is asking you to be a historian, biologist, musician, english speaker, [enter third langauge here] speaker, awesome writer, mathmetician, alchemist, physician - all at once.


Comics aren’t literature so manga isn’t either. Literature is artistic stuff like poetry. Manga is fantastic epic stuff, which isn’t literature.

[Dusk_Army]

Originally posted by Niff:

Originally posted by Thatoneguy:

Well, my high school library had a shelf entirely dedicated to manga so I'm going to assume yes, it IS literature.

school is asking you to be a historian, biologist, musician, english speaker, [enter third langauge here] speaker, awesome writer, mathmetician, alchemist, physician - all at once.


Comics aren’t literature so manga isn’t either. Literature is artistic stuff like poetry. Manga is fantastic epic stuff, which isn’t literature.

What you're doing is called archaic thinking. Literature is based on the merit of an individual work, not some nebulous collection of works by a bunch of dead guys. By your definition, only realistic fiction counts as literature because everything else is "fantastic," and I'm certain I could find more than one scholarly paper that defines The Lord of the Rings as literature.

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

Originally posted by Niff:

school is asking you to be a historian, biologist, musician, english speaker, [enter third langauge here] speaker, awesome writer, mathmetician, alchemist, physician - all at once.


Comics aren’t literature so manga isn’t either. Literature is artistic stuff like poetry. Manga is fantastic epic stuff, which isn’t literature.

What you're doing is called archaic thinking. Literature is based on the merit of an individual work, not some nebulous collection of works by a bunch of dead guys. By your definition, only realistic fiction counts as literature because everything else is "fantastic," and I'm certain I could find more than one scholarly paper that defines The Lord of the Rings as literature.

oh well, I don't really know the definition of literature. All I know is that people assume literature with old stuff, with opera and overall artistic thing, rather than narrative stuff.

Either way, if manga is literature, then so are the marvel comics (and they aren't)

[Floor dog with a RTX 3060]

Literature is about talking about books And manga is mostly books

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Monika:

Literature is about talking about books And manga is mostly books

yeah but literature isn't comics. Manga is a comic book. Do you define marvel comics to be literature?

[kwil]

A piece of writing with artistic value? So in general, yes. Manga and comics focused on the writing would probably be counted as literature. But a comic that's generally all visual, prolly not. Language is what we make of it, and that's how I choose to understand literature.

[Dusk_Army]

Originally posted by Niff:

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

What you're doing is called archaic thinking. Literature is based on the merit of an individual work, not some nebulous collection of works by a bunch of dead guys. By your definition, only realistic fiction counts as literature because everything else is "fantastic," and I'm certain I could find more than one scholarly paper that defines The Lord of the Rings as literature.

oh well, I don't really know the definition of literature. All I know is that people assume literature with old stuff, with opera and overall artistic thing, rather than narrative stuff.

Either way, if manga is literature, then so are the marvel comics (and they aren't)

I'd like to know what metric you're using to define Marvel comics as decidedly not literature, but at the same time, it doesn't matter for my point. I can't remember the name of the fallacy you're invoking, but it goes like this:
Manga are comics; manga is literature; comics are literature; Marvel comics are comics; Marvel comics are literature.
The flaw in that argument is that it ignores the fact that not all manga is literature. Comics can still have the capacity to be literature, while Marvel comics specifically are also not literature (not stating an opinion for anyone who thinks Marvel is literature, just working with the example). I could use your argument to say that books aren't literature because James Patterson writes books, and anything written by James Patterson isn't literature; but that would be factually wrong the same way your argument is.

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

Originally posted by Niff:

oh well, I don't really know the definition of literature. All I know is that people assume literature with old stuff, with opera and overall artistic thing, rather than narrative stuff.

Either way, if manga is literature, then so are the marvel comics (and they aren't)

I'd like to know what metric you're using to define Marvel comics as decidedly not literature, but at the same time, it doesn't matter for my point. I can't remember the name of the fallacy you're invoking, but it goes like this:
Manga are comics; manga is literature; comics are literature; Marvel comics are comics; Marvel comics are literature.
The flaw in that argument is that it ignores the fact that not all manga is literature. Comics can still have the capacity to be literature, while Marvel comics specifically are also not literature (not stating an opinion for anyone who thinks Marvel is literature, just working with the example). I could use your argument to say that books aren't literature because James Patterson writes books, and anything written by James Patterson isn't literature; but that would be factually wrong the same way your argument is.

alright, thanks for making me understand. I've never actually read manga before. I just assume it's the good ol' comic with pretty much every single page having an image on it. That's not literature (or at least that's my opinion).

Do you find The Grand Nate (or whatever it's called in english, in romanian it's called "Marele Nate" so idk) as literature?

[Dusk_Army]

Originally posted by Niff:

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

I'd like to know what metric you're using to define Marvel comics as decidedly not literature, but at the same time, it doesn't matter for my point. I can't remember the name of the fallacy you're invoking, but it goes like this:
Manga are comics; manga is literature; comics are literature; Marvel comics are comics; Marvel comics are literature.
The flaw in that argument is that it ignores the fact that not all manga is literature. Comics can still have the capacity to be literature, while Marvel comics specifically are also not literature (not stating an opinion for anyone who thinks Marvel is literature, just working with the example). I could use your argument to say that books aren't literature because James Patterson writes books, and anything written by James Patterson isn't literature; but that would be factually wrong the same way your argument is.

alright, thanks for making me understand. I've never actually read manga before. I just assume it's the good ol' comic with pretty much every single page having an image on it. That's not literature (or at least that's my opinion).

Do you find The Grand Nate (or whatever it's called in english, in romanian it's called "Marele Nate" so idk) as literature?

So based on the cover, no, I wouldn't call Marele Nate literature. However, I must also say that as I haven't read any of the books in that series, I can't give a fair assessment of it.

The trouble with defining something as literature in the academic sense is that there's this need for consensus. Given that most things that everyone agrees count as "literature" are 100 or more years old, I'm of the opinion that academic literature hasn't caught up with the modern era. Some time in the future, there may very well be comics taught alongside Austin, Hemingway, and the like (in all classrooms, not just a few progressives). But that point is sometime in the future. In the meantime, people need to be at least a little vocal that things other than print media can be literature.

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Manga is litterature because you can read it like if it was a novel. You can read Jiro Tanegushi as a novel. You can read Akira as a SF novel, you can read any Junji Ito storie as a short horror novel. Same with comics : there's an entire category of it called graphic NOVEL.

I agree that we can argue about, i don't know, some comics or manga without any dialogue, but as a whole, if you read it in a book form, it's litterature.

And, if Bob Dylan can win the Nobel of Litterature for songs, i guess a manga is not so far ahead.

[omar.soussi10]

Manga is literature and it's amazing. There's so many great mangas, it's tough to find one that you haven't read yet. My latest article helps you find your next favorite one as I break down the 15 best action mangas with a great adventure: {LINK REMOVED}https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/best-action-mangas

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by omar.soussi10:

Manga is literature and it's amazing. There's so many great mangas, it's tough to find one that you haven't read yet. My latest article helps you find your next favorite one as I break down the 15 best action mangas with a great adventure: {LINK REMOVED}https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/best-action-mangas

can't we have a single thread without somebody being a pure troll? Like, i've got tired of "Just Monika" and "MANGA IS LITERATURE". These are dead memes people. At least give an argument over why is manga literature.