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I do believe that both the doctor and facility are in "the real world". Same for the project.
Also, I think that they're creating sentient AIs in the real world and that we're their guinea pigs
I'd actually like a citation on that. Not judging, just want to know how we came to this conclusion. I always felt it was within the game universe and that the Libitina project was experimenting ways on how to get free of their world and the thrid eye were people in the DDLC verse that had realized they are in a game.
Who says this is not watched by the goverments or even paid by them ? Goverments are cunning and do terrible things that you probably will never know. And if you knew, you would probably dissapear in a flash to keep their secrets quiet.
And using people as weapons... Well, of course people will disagree but the goverments are the ones interested. For example, if you had the ability to turn people mad and attack each other wouldn't you do it to win a war? Maybe you, as a person, wouldn't but I can assure you that a goverment would.
Research for supernatural powers to use in war or in conflicts has actually been done already. A good example would be Germany during WWII (quite spooky actually).
I thought you guys understood that everything I was proposing had to do with the real world... Maybe I've been too indirect. Sorry in that case !
Huh, I will to have to read all the #88 comments on this again
Anyway here are some quotes:
Monika knows she's a game ( read the steam description in case you haven't... it's written in 1st person), a script... and she even has the power to kill herself, YET she continues just to be with you
YOU are the main point of this game. Like I've just said, Monika knows she's fake but still she wants to be with you. She seems to not notice that she has an objective, a mission. All of the girls have been created to be with you. It's their only purpose, to be wtih you. No matter what. But only Monika is self conscious about her existence. Why? Maybe an experiment to see her reaction?
Besides, when Monika starts messing with their files they start being self-aware too ( Just look when Sayori becomes president)
Self-aware or not, they all want to be with you. But that implies that someone has programmed them to be like that , to follow that objective, to achieve that mission, and that the game may be just a cover for their experiments. But that doesn't explain the "Third Eye" stuff. Or does it?
Maybe all of the references to the Third Eye are to drag it to you, I mean, it's supposed to be like super entity, capable of distorting time and space ( in theory...) The experimenters would love to see what would happen if a normal guy got in contact with it. Or if he was exposed to its power. Think of it as the Illuminati references ( no Illuminati jokes nor dank memes please) , they're there, you can follow them and supposedly, they will lead you to them.
In my opinion, he/she must be pretty egocentric enough to put her/himslef in the game. Power really trastornates people, and he/she must be in the big leagues ( experimenting with people, super natural entities.. sounds like a big deal, big enough to drive you mad)
Another option, also plausible, is that the old lady is the one that in the report asks the doctor to stop the tests. (why not, right? trying to make the player concerned of this hideous framework)
It could also be Natsuki herself ! If we consider the theory that these scripts are humans , maybe the 3d mapping is how Natsuki would look in real life !
1.- The "no-game": the down-to-earth real us who are aware that this is a game made by Team Salvato;
2.- The game against Salvato: the real us (us right now) who are already a part of "the game" and discuss relationships between symbols and messages;
3.- The game agaisnt the object: the us as personas inside the game, interacting with that virtual world completely.
Similarly, the game has layers as well, arranged in an almost simetrical manner corresponding to ours, although with the premise that this is entirely fictional:
1.- the characters who are aware of their position in that virtual world and communicate with the real us (Monika and the unseen, suspected wills behind her);
2.- the characters who become aware of "the game" at some point or another, but cannot "see" beyond the glass (Yuri and ¿Sayori?);
3.- the character whose essence is entirely trapped in the game and the course of its plot (Natsuki)
Or either asyouarecentre.co.uk is a big fan of DDLC ( I doubt it) or it has something to do with the creator
asyouarecentre.co.uk treats depression, eating disorders, obsession... weird right? Too linked to the game. Maybe this is a reference to the creator's own life. If I did a game, I'd totally put references of my own life in it! The things I like, the things I fear, the things I've suffered from... He maybe has done the same.
And after all the info collection we can CLEARLY see that Monika is totally related to the Third Eye now.
Monika is the "Magnum Opus" of someone indeed...
The Third Eye probably is what you say, it grants you the ability to see all the possible outcomes, depending on what you do...
The price to pay? Madness What madness? Violence . Having or using the Third Eye possibly makes the "user" lust for blood. That would explain also why Monika decides to "kill" all the girls rather than, for example, making up a story to make them leave or something
These are some of them.
REMEMBER: This game plays with the 4th wall, so it's most likely that all the references are to our world rather than theirs!
Not exacly Nazi zombies :P
Now that you mention the URSS: Did you know that they bred gorillas with women to make super-soldiers?
Also Japan wasn't very kind either...
And here' s an example of Germany wanting to dominate the "occult powers" and human experimentation http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/09/the-secret-nazi-institute-of-the-occult-super-soldiers-and-zombies/
It's quite long... don't read it all if you don't want to.
I know for sure that Hitler was very interested in finding the Holy Grail for example. And watch out while reading things like this on the Internet ( including mine ofc) . Read it with a grain of salt!
BTW guys. At this point we're all friends now ...so if you want to add me I'd be very happy to accept you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
This is just speculation, but I wonder if it is possible most (if not all) characters left their bodies and possessed characters in a dating sim as part of an experiment. They all have sentient minds surpressed by data which creates artificial personalities. Closing the game is painful for them because their bodies are destroyed by being unloaded. They may also start to feel their bodies (which are likely decaying by now) when they aren't in the bodies of the characters. The screams Monika hears are the other girls, trapped in the game and suffering the same way she is. The reason Monika can still manipulate the game after she is deleted is because her living spirit isn't data, meaning the part of her which can see outside and manipulate the game can't be deleted. Maybe Sayori became sentient because Monika's desire to be with the player caused her to subconciously suppress her (and maybe Nattsuki's, if she isn't just a dating sim character) third eye.
I also believe Yuri's third eye is too strong for Monika to stop. She mentions Monika is listening a couple times and is the one who mentions the experiments when talking about the book. She seems to be fully aware and dropping hints of what is going on to the player. She probably just lets Monika manipulate her character data because Monika causes her to cut herself more, and she gets sexual pleasure from cutting into any flesh due to the experiments done to her.
Sorry! I have no links for this... You will have to search it yourself if you wanna know more ( and try avoiding zoophilia webpages)
Nope, Japan were not commies. They were "fascists" like Germany. Japan and Germany were allied but they did not help much each other due to distance factors ( and because they didn't like each other much) .
Hitler was delusional yes. You see what power does to people? Probably Monika and the doctor met similar paths.
Interesting proposition indeed. I really like it! It just fits together will all we've been discussing !
Probably, like you say, the game was made with plain characters , nothing special at all, and then the characters were loaded with real minds, with real people. Monika is the only one to seem aware of it at first though. Also it's true that when you close the game it hurts them: You destroy the only way they have to manifest themselves. Without the in-game body , they can't feel, only their thoughts are left. And actually I also think that they may be feeling their real body... which must hurt them even more.
The screams Monika hears... Well, it could be what you say, she listens the suffering of the other girls, of the code itself ... Being inside a game must be really confusing ( and probably painful, specially mentally)
In my opinion, the game is the only way for her to exist emotionally. The game lets her feel, lets her be at ease whereas if you close the game, all of this fades and only her thoughts remain. Imagine being in the most absolute darkness and silence... I bet you would start hearing things in no time. It must be mind breaking to lose your body and emotions in a second.T
This reminds me of the time I stayed up 56h straight...When I went to sleep that day I swear there was someone else in my head... I guess this must be the same, but worse
Again, you're right with Monika being able to modify data after she has been deleted. Like I said in a previous theory, the .chr file is not her mind, it's her emotions. Her mind still wanders in the code of the game , or outside like you point out.
Why did Sayori become self-aware? Well, she could have learnt from Monika's remaining past experiences left inside the code of the game or she could have used her awakened Third Eye to "see through the glass"
I don't think Yuri is fully self-aware but she does know a lot of the Third Eye.
During the 2act, she starts to understand what's going on, but it's way too late. Monika has already decided her fate ( and she knows) . I agree that Yuri has the strongest Third Eye of them all ( probably that explains her sadism and why Monika starts to become a sadist too)
There's something that has been wandering in my mind for a while:
Sayori, Natsuki, Yuri. All of them are cliche personalities. Limited, they follow the script and do not act out of their character. They all have something in common that Monika hasn't:
Their name.
Isn't it a bit curious? A "japanese" VN with a character named Monika? Unusual isn't it?
We can clearly see that Monika is special right from the start...
it's a government owned school. something'll slip in.
So basically infinite profit for them, but the problem is as we speaked a lot in this thread the power of the third eye makes the user "a dangerous individual, with a high metal instability".
Maybe DDLC is like a "suppressive drug", to keep the OG test subject (probably Libitina) distracted to what exactly happen to her since she "lost any control over her third eye". And Monika could be a part of her humanity trying to get control over again, to "awake" once again Libitina.
That's my new theory after reading the new posts on this thread, this is assuming Libitina still alive, and wasn't just "discarded" by the lab, i know is a really crazy theory, but i still haven't find any new information to add to the thread, sadly :/
Edit: Now i'm thinking this, the MC (not us, the MC of the game) he isn't a test subject? If he is a test subject, maybe they're trying to "Polish even more their perfect Markov Chain AI", and the Factory is just using all this DDLC "game" to test the "stability" of their new "resource".
Right now, I'm using my mobile phone tethered to the linux machine and re-sending this msg from the Win7 beast. No idea how much or little data I have.
Last third of Can You Hear Me? monologue:
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I think you might be able to go back...or however you want to put it...
...To go back and tell them what's going to happen.
If they know ahead of time, then they should be able to avoid it.
They should...if they remember their time with me in the other worlds...they should remember what I tell them.
Yeah. I really think this might be possible. But it's up to you.
I'm sorry for always being...you know...
...
Never mind. I know that's wrong.
This is my story. It's time to be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hero.
Both of us.
2018
DG: " And yes, the book is the key. The name, the topic... "
And maybe there is another. I didn't fully realize at the time, too much info too quick to process. But I saw the image of monika.chr raised again in another discussion and the ending suddenly hit me hard:
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I think you might be able to go back...or however you want to put it...
...To go back and tell them what's going to happen.
If they know ahead of time, then they should be able to avoid it.
They should...if they remember their time with me in the other worlds...they should remember what I tell them.
Yeah. I really think this might be possible. But it's up to you.
I'm sorry for always being...you know...
...
Never mind. I know that's wrong.
This is my story. It's time to be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hero.
Both of us.
2018
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And never forget it starts with 'Can you hear me?' A Monika character file that incorporates a png image with a flaming circle and what was initially thought to be a QR code. That turned out to be binary text, base64 that yields the monologue.
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Does the flaming circle serve as a hint to an Ouroborus? Recall I was having trouble with chronology on the small scale and idle thoughs about Monika's year in the void, what she learned of the real world and when and and and ...
Now, this last part of the monologue certainly looks like a time slip, 'go back' 'going to happen' 'ahead of time' 'remember their time with me' 'other worlds' WTF?
Anyway, Salvato may be lauging at us, even as he takes note of how a dynamic evolves witha group of strangers looking for answers.
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No, it wasn't The Facility, just our NBN fixed Wifi internet blowing up.
DON'T HAVE THE REAL STORY BUT THE RUMOR IS NO INTERNET HERE FOR FOUR DAYS!
I probably won't be back before then. Keep fighting!!!