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Doki Doki Literature Club

PIANO THEORY + NEXT GAME + SPECULATIONS *SPOILER*
Right now, just speculation...Watch out! High risk of getting your mind blown...


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https://wwwddlcrl.net/

Here in the description you will find the location of the most important content:

Piano Theory
Starts: Comment #9
Status: Closed

Next Game
Starts: Comment #20
Status: Closed

Chronology
Starts: Comment #39
Status: Deprecated by Comment #262

CHR Files
Starts: Comment #43
Status: Closed

Game Layers
Starts:Comment #44
Status: Closed

Sayori's Last Moments
Starts:Comment #47
Status: Closed

Third Eye + Markov
Starts:Comment #56
Status: Closed

Facility FAQ
Starts:Comment #82
Status: Closed

Real Life Examples
Starts:Comment #89
Status: Closed

Monika's 2018 Plan
Starts: Comment #107
Status: Closed

Salty Comments
Starts:Comment #136
Status: Closed

DDLC Universe + Monika's Background
Starts:Comment #166
Status: Closed

Artwork
Starts: Comment #204
Status: Closed

Yuri's Poem
Starts: Comment #212 continues at Comment #562
Status: HOPELESS :steamsad:

Monika's Void
Starts: Comment #236
Status: Closed

Pineal Gland
Starts: Comment #252
Status: Closed

Sayori's Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261
Status: Closed

Monika's Game Control + Extra Thoughts
Starts: Comment #276
Status: Closed

Hero's Path + Extra Artwork
Starts: Comment #306
Status: Closed with intervention at Comment #338

Game's Symbolism
Starts: Comment #325
Status: Closed

Important Notice
Starts: Comment #338
Status: MUST SEE

Monika's Everything
Starts: Comment #374
Status: Closed

General Ideas About The Game
Starts: Comment #401
Status: Closed

Sayori's Plan
Starts: Comment #421
Status: Closed

Thoughts About The MC
Starts: Comment #477
Status: Closed

Latest And Various General Ideas
Starts: Comment #488
Status: Closed

Girls' Measures
Starts: Comment #563
Status: Closed

Game's Influence
Starts: Comment #596
Status: Closed

Next Game Ideas + Extra Thoughts
Starts: Comment #712
Status: Closed

Sayori's Last Poem
Starts: Comment #819
Status: Closed

Yuri's concern for Monika
Starts: Comment #849
Status: Closed

Sayori's Last Poem in the Festival
Starts: Comment #952
Status: Closed

The Game's In Control
Starts: Comment #975
Status: Closed

Game's Setting
Starts: Comment #998
Status: Closed

The Third Eye Is A Drug
Starts: Comment #1060
Status: Closed

Mini Theories, General Ideas and Afterthoughts
Starts: Comment #1006
Status: Closed

Nijowari
Starts: Comment #1247
Status: OPEN

https://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=84

Don't be afraid to re-open old topics if you have any questions or you want to contribute!

And here you will find the original question:

Okay I've found this text in one of the files that the game generates and then deletes

G2pilVJccjJiQZ1poiM3iYZhj3I0IRbvj3wxomnoeOatVHUxZ2ozGKJgjXMzj2LgoOitBOM1dSDzHMatdRpmQZpidNehG29mkTxwmDJbGJxsjnVeQT9mTPSwSAOwnuWhSE50ByMpcuJoqGstJOCxqHCtdvG3HJV0TOGuwOIyoOGhwOHgm2GhlZpyISJik3J/

I've tried to decode it in Base64,58 and in many more ways ( even Hashes!) but I get nothing.
I was hoping you guys could give it a shot and see if it actually means something or it's just gibberish

Thanks bros for hanging around and keeping the club amazing :)

Last edited by Kisaragi Yukano; Jan 13, 2019 @ 5:58am
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1988 Dec 1, 2017 @ 1:50pm 
you can rename Monika and Natsuki from .chr on windows to .png and you get the same image
v0idPlayer Dec 1, 2017 @ 2:10pm 
huh. i've noticed that people do like to change it to .png, but that really hurts.
please.. don't.
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xae-chan Dec 1, 2017 @ 6:08pm 
Well, DG, a funny thing happened on my Win7 beast last night A link from another discussion led to a YouTube embed that still there this morning - and it won't go away. What's more I cannot get into Community/Discussions as it stands.

So I came here to see how things were, fired up Steam, get an error message in the terminal (this is Ubuntu linux) that Steam apparently did not end cleanly, did a verify and did not reinstall.

Btw, the YouTube had a glitch 'message' that crept into the stream ... I think it was something about twitch and the person's username there ... and we know Monika doesn't like to be recorded. Hold onto your paranoia, eh?

I like your Sayori question. I invoked one variatiion of that image by trying what I refer to as the 3rd Bad Ending, It's a hack I found, I forget, maybe that unofficial wiki. Anyway, start a new game, delete Monika, staart new from the prior menu. it runs from the opening bur with Sayori there, looking bewildered, a few lines of dialogue, "What? "No ..." "There's nothing here" , something like that. Certainly didn't act like she inherited the mantle of Monika. Black screen, END.

And then the image and now I can't say which is which. One has 'caption' to the right, her handwriting, no caption, and 'Now everyone can be happy'. And I've read other comment somewhere one starts blank and after ten minutes the caption appears.

That image derived from natsuki.chr can be 3d mapped to a sphere and yields an older woman, light hair. The Monika image is a QR code? And we know Monika's Secret Message is not written by her bc "A year since our escape" etc.

The early chronology of the story has always bugged me. First, why they stopped walking together. Yeah sure, the mc blamed her oversleeping. But could it be they were in middle school but a year apart, And he goes on to high school, a different location? Then there's the highschool itself. Mc doesn't join a club the first year, And has no motivation again this year,

We know when he first goes to the LC, it's on the third floor, where he rarely has any reason to be there, as it's third year classrooms. So he's second year. So why is Monika there? Doesn't she say somewhee in Act One about growing the club before 'we' graduate? Which is why some people reckon she's 18 or 19 ...

There's a misunderstanding about Natsuki that is due to the mc and it's accepted as gospel in webpages, reviews, wikis, that she's first-year. But we know her size is more to do with lack of food. Monika always carries a snack in her purse for the girl, We see that once when Natsuki goes wobbly. She's probably second year ("the youngest one here") and the mature Yuri is third year and the 'we' with Monika.

Gryphonheart Dec 2, 2017 @ 12:20am 
All these theories are amazing , lol. I'll make sure to share my thoughts soon as well.
Last edited by Gryphonheart; Dec 2, 2017 @ 12:21am
xae-chan Dec 2, 2017 @ 1:17am 
Originally posted by Gryphonheart:
All these theories are amazing , lol. I'll make sure to share my thoughts soon as well.

the more, the merrier. welcome to paranoia plaza.
Kisaragi Yukano Dec 2, 2017 @ 5:17am 
Originally posted by The Lars of Us:
you can rename Monika and Natsuki from .chr on windows to .png and you get the same image

Huh, I didn't know you could do that.. Thanks for the info!

Originally posted by xae-chan:
Btw, the YouTube had a glitch 'message' that crept into the stream ... I think it was something about twitch and the person's username there ... and we know Monika doesn't like to be recorded. Hold onto your paranoia, eh?
Yes, if you record the game Monika scares the :poop: out of you. She's so funny and caring

Originally posted by xae-chan:
I like your Sayori question. I invoked one variatiion of that image by trying what I refer to as the 3rd Bad Ending, It's a hack I found, I forget, maybe that unofficial wiki. Anyway, start a new game, delete Monika, staart new from the prior menu. it runs from the opening bur with Sayori there, looking bewildered, a few lines of dialogue, "What? "No ..." "There's nothing here" , something like that. Certainly didn't act like she inherited the mantle of Monika. Black screen, END.

And then the image and now I can't say which is which. One has 'caption' to the right, her handwriting, no caption, and 'Now everyone can be happy'. And I've read other comment somewhere one starts blank and after ten minutes the caption appears.

Yeah I knew about this ending, it happens just as you say. But I didn't mean this ending.
You know that in the 1st ACT in the transition of the day before the festival and the festival Sayori hangs herself. Well, just in that transition an image is created.

https://ibb.co/csByXw ( in case you haven't seen it but I doubt it)

My question was who did actually make that picture Sayori herself or Monika (I still have to develop my thoughts on this :P)

Originally posted by xae-chan:
That image derived from natsuki.chr can be 3d mapped to a sphere and yields an older woman, light hair.

Interesting indeed. "The Lady Who Knows Everything" maybe? It could be anything at this point...

Originally posted by xae-chan:
The early chronology of the story has always bugged me. First, why they stopped walking together. Yeah sure, the mc blamed her oversleeping. But could it be they were in middle school but a year apart, And he goes on to high school, a different location? Then there's the highschool itself. Mc doesn't join a club the first year, And has no motivation again this year,

We know when he first goes to the LC, it's on the third floor, where he rarely has any reason to be there, as it's third year classrooms. So he's second year. So why is Monika there? Doesn't she say somewhee in Act One about growing the club before 'we' graduate? Which is why some people reckon she's 18 or 19 ...

There's a misunderstanding about Natsuki that is due to the mc and it's accepted as gospel in webpages, reviews, wikis, that she's first-year. But we know her size is more to do with lack of food. Monika always carries a snack in her purse for the girl, We see that once when Natsuki goes wobbly. She's probably second year ("the youngest one here") and the mature Yuri is third year and the 'we' with Monika.

The chronology is very tricky since we don't have much information, only some details and comments

MC and Sayori are both second year, no doubt about it. The reasons why the MC stopped going with Sayori could be anything. It could be what you said that he moved or she moved to another school or we could believe the MC and accept that Sayori was oversleeping and that he just was too impatient to wait for her (rude)

Monika could be second year too because if I'm not wrong the MC says Monika and I were in the same clasroom the last year So if the MC is now second year , Monika must be too.

Yuri is harder. She could perfectly be 3rd year since , personally, I don't see her in 2nd year. Also, Monika says she has "years of writing skills" How many years? We don't know but I bet 3 at least


Natsuki is also tricky. She could be both first-year and second-year. First-year if we, again, assume the MC fantastic perception is true ( very well Sherlock now try to guess what's wrong with Sayori, I dare you)
Also, she joined the club to escape from her father and she joined the club with the least people in it. And that was Monika's. She could have joined the Manga club but we know that she doesn't like being around too many people ( she's pretty introvert and she thought people would probably laugh at their Manga)

BUT this also applies if she was a second-year ( damn)

She knows Sayori, Monika and Yuri. The game porbably starts in the middle of a semester or at the beginning of it and the club had already started its meetings and she met them there, but when exactly? In the 2nd-ACT she tells the MC ( Natsuki or Monika, i'm not 100% sure) that I've heard Yuri talk with you these days more than in the last weeks which also reinforces that the club had already started.

If we believe Monika ( and my supposition that she is second year) , the club definetively did NOT start on the first year since she was on the debate club.

Man, stupid chronology. I'm very bad with dates so you should revise what I've just said.

BTW, another interesting question. What does Sayori calendar mean? It has some days marked on it on January ( probably important dates for the new game, maybe release dates?) and the full November month is crossed out ( because she knew she wouldn't make it?)

And BONUS QUESTION, when the MC finds her hanging, she has her hands covered in red.
She got stained with red ink? (writing poems because she had finally lost her head? drawing creepy pictures?)
Or is it blood? ( blood? how? consequences of her decomposition? she's very pale already... but I'm not a forensic so... she could also have written poems like a madwoman and she got her hands hurt.)

I think it's blood because of the color (it's a little bit brown because it's already dry, ink would look more red) But both hands are covered in blood, and I don't think she would have written the poems with both hands... Maybe she got hurt in another way? Punching the walls because she was angry? ( I really don't see her doing that... but who knows)

COMMANDER, WE HAVE TOO MANY OPEN FRONTS, WHAT SHALL WE DO?

Originally posted by Gryphonheart:
All these theories are amazing , lol. I'll make sure to share my thoughts soon as well.

And join the club man, we always accept new members :)
Last edited by Kisaragi Yukano; Dec 2, 2017 @ 5:30am
Kisaragi Yukano Dec 2, 2017 @ 6:43am 
Originally posted by EllijahNeurax:
Hey m8, don't you think that might be an art or something about "Portrait of Markov", maybe that "Old Women" picture is a refrence about a Portrait or something. Or a Character?? Who Knows?

Hi bro. At this rate, anything is possible haha (the speculation train has no brakes !!!)
But it could be ( if we relate it to Yuri's book) ,for example, the doctor from the facility.
In my opinion, he/she must be pretty egocentric enough to put her/himslef in the game. Power really trastornates people, and he/she must be in the big leagues ( experimenting with people, super natural entities.. sounds like a big deal, big enough to drive you mad)

Another option, also plausible, is that the old lady is the one that in the report asks the doctor to stop the tests. (why not, right? trying to make the player concerned of this hideous framework)

It could also be Natsuki herself ! If we consider the theory that these scripts are humans , maybe the 3d mapping is how Natsuki would look in real life !

We do not have much information, so anything is possible. We must think big!
(good question btw)
Kisaragi Yukano Dec 2, 2017 @ 8:26am 
Originally posted by EllijahNeurax:
Natsuki in real life?? Hmm, but if that possible she might already have a voice actor like Monika..And Natsuki may looks like an old women "Because of those Negative Photo" filters, But here my theory: Maybe Natsuki is a Character that wake up from those expariments, she knows what she see and will help ya get out from there..Im not gonna touch the part she broke her neck, well as you say when she vomits and run after saw the MC spent time with Yuri dead body..So why Monika deletes her?? She dosen't do anything right?? Well, maybe Monika knows that Natsuki have a plan to escape but she stop Natsuki by delete her chr flie which makes Natsuki sleep forever, as Monika say: If we turn off the game she sleep and woke up when we start it, so if she delete the characters, they sleep forever, right??

By real life I meant the human in the experiment, not like a voice actor or so :P
What you say about "waking up of the experiments" I also say the same in my theory ( not a real waking up though, just a metaphorical one).
At first they do not know that they're scripts (except for Monika) but with the pass of time (and Monika's alteration of the game/files) they start to notice.

For Natsuki, well, she realizes that Yuri's "a freak" and tells the MC. She also warns you that Monika is "suspiciously ignoring the situation" . Sadly, for Natsuki, she gets fully corrupted by Monika and can't be taken as a reliable source of information. It'd be hard to distingish who is who

Monika deletes her for the same reason she deletes Sayori, Yuri and everything else but her:
To accomplish her objective, to be with you. Like I said, first cunningly then harshly.
Keeping Sayori, Yuri, Natsuki... it'd be a burden. And there is no point in keeping them since you already know that Monika has altered everything. It's better to start over, to play your game, a game that does what you want instead of having to deal with unwanted events/people.

You're right with we turn off the game she sleep and woke up when we start it, so if she delete the characters.
For them is like sleeping but with nightmares ( recall Monika's special poems, they're all about this) But Monika doesn't actually deletes them, she tells the MC I know I told you I deleted them but they were my friends afterall... She probably copied them or moved them out of the folder.

But you have a point. What happens if we delete a character? Where does it go? Does it stop existing?

As for Monika, when we delete her, she stays in the game. She probably got mixed with the code accidentally ( I don't think so) or in purpose ( that's more like it)
Afterall, she's afraid to die, to dissapear...

BUT WHAT IF the .chr file doesn't involve existing? WHAT IF the .chr are emotions? WHAT IF they are feelings?

Monika stays in the game after we delete her and if we try to put her in the game again she says Don't play with my heart, I don't want to feel anymore

Even the guy/gal that roleplays Monika says that modifying the files hurts her

Maybe they exist somewhere else but the .chr file is what makes them feel. Afterall, if we delete Monika right away and Sayori finds the truth she says
IT HURTS SO MUCH, MAKE IT STOP
And she deletes herself to stop the pain. So this is a possibility afterall...


Thank you very much for this man! Now we have another unanswered question we can solve altogether! Hahaha

Last edited by Kisaragi Yukano; Dec 2, 2017 @ 8:29am
Gryphonheart Dec 2, 2017 @ 2:47pm 
Has anybody out there tried to decipher if the "chat" MC has with Yuri during the weekend has any meaning or if its a code? (just like those found in the .chr files)

It might be too much of a task considering that Monika deletes the history and instead adds the steam game description in there, although slightly modified at the end. The reason I think this is fairly important is because of a few observations; we know that we must skip the text in order to keep progressing through "the game" but what if that is forcing the issue. Like, why would it be Yuri doing the speech, dead. Why would Monika delete the history? (I know you cant copy the code in game but avoids you from replicating it somehow). During that part in the game load and save doesnt work as usual but it goes further this time around: even if you close the game during that scene and restart it, you are forcefully placed at that point again with nothing to do but either "listen" to the "nonsense" or just skip it completely. There is no other way to avoid this terrible scene as far as I know. That leads me to think that its something easily overlooked on purpose but in truth its part of the game.

I find it quite interesting how this game forces us to divide our psyche in a few fragments, much like the characters are, more specifically Monika's.

At the very least I'd would think, our thoughts in this game are divided in 3 layers:

1.- The "no-game": the down-to-earth real us who are aware that this is a game made by Team Salvato;

2.- The game against Salvato: the real us (us right now) who are already a part of "the game" and discuss relationships between symbols and messages;

3.- The game agaisnt the object: the us as personas inside the game, interacting with that virtual world completely.

Similarly, the game has layers as well, arranged in an almost simetrical manner corresponding to ours, although with the premise that this is entirely fictional:

1.- the characters who are aware of their position in that virtual world and communicate with the real us (Monika and the unseen, suspected wills behind her);

2.- the characters who become aware of "the game" at some point or another, but cannot "see" beyond the glass (Yuri and ¿Sayori?);

3.- the character whose essence is entirely trapped in the game and the course of its plot (Natsuki) -correct me if I'm wrong here.

I still dont get much why Monika needs to be with the MC (or us). Does she have a purpose to fulfill by doing so or is that the feeling of loneliness that makes her desire it so. Living in a 2D world, artificial friends and thoughts, limited space - only places determined by the CG files, etc. She might just need desperately a bond with another human, another mind that is not artificial. The depth of her character is really intricate when you take multiple dimensions into account: the files (the code), the game, and the real-living world where all of us live, not only our in game persona, where only 4 individuals exist in that universe, where its us and Monika against the pressing solitude.

This is a game that is played outside the game. I find that fascinating.

Last edited by Gryphonheart; Dec 2, 2017 @ 2:56pm
Kisaragi Yukano Dec 2, 2017 @ 3:20pm 
Gryphonheart thanks for joining the club!
Now we can all go mad together with this paranoia and speculation! Yay!

Originally posted by Gryphonheart:
Has anybody out there tried to decipher if the "chat" MC has with Yuri during the weekend has any meaning or if its a code? (just like those found in the .chr files)

It might be too much of a task considering that Monika deletes the history and instead adds the steam game description in there, although slightly modified at the end. The reason I think this is fairly important is because of a few observations; we know that we must skip the text in order to keep progressing through "the game" but what if that is forcing the issue. Like, why would it be Yuri doing the speech, dead. Why would Monika delete the history? (I know you cant copy the code in game but avoids you from replicating it somehow). During that part in the game load and save doesnt work as usual but it goes further this time around: even if you close the game during that scene and restart it, you are forcefully placed at that point again with nothing to do but either "listen" to the "nonsense" or just skip it completely. There is no other way to avoid this terrible scene as far as I know.

That's something quite interesting you're suggesting there. It might actually mean something afterall but I'm afraid I can't do that, sorry. You will have to do some Internet browsing. Try reddit or the DDLC wiki. Or maybe someone here will be our hero and will post it in this thread ( I do really hope so :P )

Anyway, I also like your observation about our psyche, how it's divided, split, focused on different things and parts of the game and in real life elements.

I completely agree with the divisions you specify. Moreover, it's nice how you realate it with the game itslef. You are right with Natsuki too, she cannot escape from the plot because or either she has not the capability to do so or because Monika interferes with her too much, completely possessing her.

Originally posted by Gryphonheart:
I still dont get much why Monika needs to be with the MC (or us). Does she have a purpose to fulfill by doing so or is that the feeling of loneliness that makes her desire it so. Living in a 2D world, artificial friends and thoughts, limited space - only places determined by the CG files, etc. She might just need desperately a bond with another human, another mind that is not artificial. The depth of her character is really intricate when you take multiple dimensions into account: the files (the code), the game, and the real-living world where all of us live, not only our in game persona, where only 4 individuals exist in that universe, where its us and Monika against the pressing solitude.

The reasons why Monika needs to be with the player are a mistery. You can accept my previous hypothesis and believe that Monika needs to be with the player because she was programmed to do so and she has the objective, not the desire, to be with you, no matter what.( she doesn't even care if you're a boy or a girl)
Or think that she has to be with you becasue she feels "lonely" and living in a flat world has made her mad and this madness has lead her to be obsessive with you ( just like Yuri but not so "pointy" BAD JOKE I KNOW )

Also good point with the depth of the game. There is not just "code", there are more variables in the equation. We need to take into account all of them, if not, we will not see the full picture





xae-chan Dec 2, 2017 @ 9:16pm 
I arrived earlied in the day, even as y'all were writing but I didn't get back with a reply. No, I couldn't keep all that's gone down in my head, so I made a test file up through #45.

Copy;n'paste from steam client to linux text file is nothing to write home about. You should have used your Win7 file, right. No, it's still compromied by that YouTube embed.. The only thing that responds, curiously, is the Library tab, so I can get to games. Weird, huh?

Anyway, I brought you an easter egg: meme lord 3000 topic
'CAN YOU HEAR ME'

comment #6 a d thank the appropriate person.

Now I must catch up on my reading for comprehension.
Mr. H.U.N.K. Dec 3, 2017 @ 1:36am 
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Originally posted by The Lars of Us:
you can rename Monika and Natsuki from .chr on windows to .png and you get the same image

Huh, I didn't know you could do that.. Thanks for the info!

Originally posted by xae-chan:
Btw, the YouTube had a glitch 'message' that crept into the stream ... I think it was something about twitch and the person's username there ... and we know Monika doesn't like to be recorded. Hold onto your paranoia, eh?
Yes, if you record the game Monika scares the :poop: out of you. She's so funny and caring

Originally posted by xae-chan:
I like your Sayori question. I invoked one variatiion of that image by trying what I refer to as the 3rd Bad Ending, It's a hack I found, I forget, maybe that unofficial wiki. Anyway, start a new game, delete Monika, staart new from the prior menu. it runs from the opening bur with Sayori there, looking bewildered, a few lines of dialogue, "What? "No ..." "There's nothing here" , something like that. Certainly didn't act like she inherited the mantle of Monika. Black screen, END.

And then the image and now I can't say which is which. One has 'caption' to the right, her handwriting, no caption, and 'Now everyone can be happy'. And I've read other comment somewhere one starts blank and after ten minutes the caption appears.

Yeah I knew about this ending, it happens just as you say. But I didn't mean this ending.
You know that in the 1st ACT in the transition of the day before the festival and the festival Sayori hangs herself. Well, just in that transition an image is created.

https://ibb.co/csByXw ( in case you haven't seen it but I doubt it)

My question was who did actually make that picture Sayori herself or Monika (I still have to develop my thoughts on this :P)

Originally posted by xae-chan:
That image derived from natsuki.chr can be 3d mapped to a sphere and yields an older woman, light hair.

Interesting indeed. "The Lady Who Knows Everything" maybe? It could be anything at this point...

Originally posted by xae-chan:
The early chronology of the story has always bugged me. First, why they stopped walking together. Yeah sure, the mc blamed her oversleeping. But could it be they were in middle school but a year apart, And he goes on to high school, a different location? Then there's the highschool itself. Mc doesn't join a club the first year, And has no motivation again this year,

We know when he first goes to the LC, it's on the third floor, where he rarely has any reason to be there, as it's third year classrooms. So he's second year. So why is Monika there? Doesn't she say somewhee in Act One about growing the club before 'we' graduate? Which is why some people reckon she's 18 or 19 ...

There's a misunderstanding about Natsuki that is due to the mc and it's accepted as gospel in webpages, reviews, wikis, that she's first-year. But we know her size is more to do with lack of food. Monika always carries a snack in her purse for the girl, We see that once when Natsuki goes wobbly. She's probably second year ("the youngest one here") and the mature Yuri is third year and the 'we' with Monika.

The chronology is very tricky since we don't have much information, only some details and comments

MC and Sayori are both second year, no doubt about it. The reasons why the MC stopped going with Sayori could be anything. It could be what you said that he moved or she moved to another school or we could believe the MC and accept that Sayori was oversleeping and that he just was too impatient to wait for her (rude)

Monika could be second year too because if I'm not wrong the MC says Monika and I were in the same clasroom the last year So if the MC is now second year , Monika must be too.

Yuri is harder. She could perfectly be 3rd year since , personally, I don't see her in 2nd year. Also, Monika says she has "years of writing skills" How many years? We don't know but I bet 3 at least


Natsuki is also tricky. She could be both first-year and second-year. First-year if we, again, assume the MC fantastic perception is true ( very well Sherlock now try to guess what's wrong with Sayori, I dare you)
Also, she joined the club to escape from her father and she joined the club with the least people in it. And that was Monika's. She could have joined the Manga club but we know that she doesn't like being around too many people ( she's pretty introvert and she thought people would probably laugh at their Manga)

BUT this also applies if she was a second-year ( damn)

She knows Sayori, Monika and Yuri. The game porbably starts in the middle of a semester or at the beginning of it and the club had already started its meetings and she met them there, but when exactly? In the 2nd-ACT she tells the MC ( Natsuki or Monika, i'm not 100% sure) that I've heard Yuri talk with you these days more than in the last weeks which also reinforces that the club had already started.

If we believe Monika ( and my supposition that she is second year) , the club definetively did NOT start on the first year since she was on the debate club.

Man, stupid chronology. I'm very bad with dates so you should revise what I've just said.

BTW, another interesting question. What does Sayori calendar mean? It has some days marked on it on January ( probably important dates for the new game, maybe release dates?) and the full November month is crossed out ( because she knew she wouldn't make it?)

And BONUS QUESTION, when the MC finds her hanging, she has her hands covered in red.
She got stained with red ink? (writing poems because she had finally lost her head? drawing creepy pictures?)
Or is it blood? ( blood? how? consequences of her decomposition? she's very pale already... but I'm not a forensic so... she could also have written poems like a madwoman and she got her hands hurt.)

I think it's blood because of the color (it's a little bit brown because it's already dry, ink would look more red) But both hands are covered in blood, and I don't think she would have written the poems with both hands... Maybe she got hurt in another way? Punching the walls because she was angry? ( I really don't see her doing that... but who knows)

COMMANDER, WE HAVE TOO MANY OPEN FRONTS, WHAT SHALL WE DO?

Originally posted by Gryphonheart:
All these theories are amazing , lol. I'll make sure to share my thoughts soon as well.

And join the club man, we always accept new members :)
About Sayori, I read on reddit that Monika when we're on the ACT 3 tells us about the last moments of sayori. Monika says that sayori once he just tried to hang herself, it seems she instantly regret that decision and try to free herself, but she just failed and it was more painful and it should've be.
My question is if Monika "augmented" enough her depression so Sayori, can reach that "point" what or who make herself try save her self as she just started hanging herself? Maybe her survival instinct? Or a memory about the MC or a "special event" related to her past (with or w/o the MC) makes herself aware of the huge mistake she was doing?

P.S. Really thanks for making this thread! I love the theories you're posting here, keep the outstanding job!

Here's a video about Sayori last moments according to Monika (it can be true if you trust her, which tbh i don't really trust her, but anyways it's the most "logic" theory i can think it should be true):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmKLZFZDdTQ
1988 Dec 3, 2017 @ 2:18am 
Maybe Monika broke Sayoris code at this time so much, that the game decided to let her hang herself, but after that happen that her "normal code" came back and tried to free herself.
Mr. H.U.N.K. Dec 3, 2017 @ 6:43am 
Originally posted by Klabautermann:
Maybe Monika broke Sayoris code at this time so much, that the game decided to let her hang herself, but after that happen that her "normal code" came back and tried to free herself.
Probably you're right, but why it didn't happen for example with natsuki? Yuri for example was "semi aware" or "she can feel something was going to end, in a bad way". Also why it happen with Sayori just in the same moment she just was "hanging" ? In the case of Yuri it happens alot before her suicide, not on the same moment as Sayori.

Also about Yuri .char file If you transform it into a .txt here's the text inside of it :

https://pastebin.com/Jy57VE77

It looked like base 64 so i passed to text, I used this page to translate the Base 64 to text:

https://www.base64decode.org/

It's a history that gives shivers, i actually don't know if it's a creepypasta or this history is related to Yuri herself.
Mr. H.U.N.K. Dec 3, 2017 @ 6:55am 
Also if you try to get a "more clear" image of the Natsuki .png, it appares to be a woman with white hair and eyes:
https://i.imgur.com/nPSeBZL.jpg
If somebody already say it, well sorry for being late to the party, and good job for finding it out!

Also this image, maybe it was natsuki mother? Or it was somebody related to libitinia and/or the project it self?
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