Doki Doki Literature Club

Doki Doki Literature Club

PIANO THEORY + NEXT GAME + SPECULATIONS *SPOILER*
Right now, just speculation...Watch out! High risk of getting your mind blown...


Here we have a build-in-progress Wordpress:

https://wwwddlcrl.net/

Here in the description you will find the location of the most important content:

Piano Theory
Starts: Comment #9
Status: Closed

Next Game
Starts: Comment #20
Status: Closed

Chronology
Starts: Comment #39
Status: Deprecated by Comment #262

CHR Files
Starts: Comment #43
Status: Closed

Game Layers
Starts:Comment #44
Status: Closed

Sayori's Last Moments
Starts:Comment #47
Status: Closed

Third Eye + Markov
Starts:Comment #56
Status: Closed

Facility FAQ
Starts:Comment #82
Status: Closed

Real Life Examples
Starts:Comment #89
Status: Closed

Monika's 2018 Plan
Starts: Comment #107
Status: Closed

Salty Comments
Starts:Comment #136
Status: Closed

DDLC Universe + Monika's Background
Starts:Comment #166
Status: Closed

Artwork
Starts: Comment #204
Status: Closed

Yuri's Poem
Starts: Comment #212 continues at Comment #562
Status: HOPELESS :steamsad:

Monika's Void
Starts: Comment #236
Status: Closed

Pineal Gland
Starts: Comment #252
Status: Closed

Sayori's Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261
Status: Closed

Monika's Game Control + Extra Thoughts
Starts: Comment #276
Status: Closed

Hero's Path + Extra Artwork
Starts: Comment #306
Status: Closed with intervention at Comment #338

Game's Symbolism
Starts: Comment #325
Status: Closed

Important Notice
Starts: Comment #338
Status: MUST SEE

Monika's Everything
Starts: Comment #374
Status: Closed

General Ideas About The Game
Starts: Comment #401
Status: Closed

Sayori's Plan
Starts: Comment #421
Status: Closed

Thoughts About The MC
Starts: Comment #477
Status: Closed

Latest And Various General Ideas
Starts: Comment #488
Status: Closed

Girls' Measures
Starts: Comment #563
Status: Closed

Game's Influence
Starts: Comment #596
Status: Closed

Next Game Ideas + Extra Thoughts
Starts: Comment #712
Status: Closed

Sayori's Last Poem
Starts: Comment #819
Status: Closed

Yuri's concern for Monika
Starts: Comment #849
Status: Closed

Sayori's Last Poem in the Festival
Starts: Comment #952
Status: Closed

The Game's In Control
Starts: Comment #975
Status: Closed

Game's Setting
Starts: Comment #998
Status: Closed

The Third Eye Is A Drug
Starts: Comment #1060
Status: Closed

Mini Theories, General Ideas and Afterthoughts
Starts: Comment #1006
Status: Closed

Nijowari
Starts: Comment #1247
Status: OPEN

https://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=84

Don't be afraid to re-open old topics if you have any questions or you want to contribute!

And here you will find the original question:

Okay I've found this text in one of the files that the game generates and then deletes

G2pilVJccjJiQZ1poiM3iYZhj3I0IRbvj3wxomnoeOatVHUxZ2ozGKJgjXMzj2LgoOitBOM1dSDzHMatdRpmQZpidNehG29mkTxwmDJbGJxsjnVeQT9mTPSwSAOwnuWhSE50ByMpcuJoqGstJOCxqHCtdvG3HJV0TOGuwOIyoOGhwOHgm2GhlZpyISJik3J/

I've tried to decode it in Base64,58 and in many more ways ( even Hashes!) but I get nothing.
I was hoping you guys could give it a shot and see if it actually means something or it's just gibberish

Thanks bros for hanging around and keeping the club amazing :)

Last edited by Kisaragi Yukano; Jan 13, 2019 @ 5:58am
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Thatwasme Dec 25, 2017 @ 4:24pm 
under "renpy" there`s a license.txt that says it all, i found it interesting that it mostly dealt with spreading the content, as opposed to the normal copiright crap, i was looking for easter eggs
xae-chan Dec 25, 2017 @ 5:35pm 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doki_Doki_Literature_Club!

That fool OP of that other thread apparently thought the game ended when Yuri stabbed herself.
Kisaragi Yukano Dec 25, 2017 @ 6:49pm 
Originally posted by Thatwasme:
Oh lol i completely forgot to consider all the haters :D no wonder the game is pretty much designed to grab as many people as it can if they can seriously start hating on it for being pretty much forced to do that by the nature of the "relevance" system that we have today.

I`ve been a gamer my entire life and lately more and more of this part of my life`s been feeling like chore than entertainment. The entire industry`s been devolving into a fest of micro-transaction and grind based pile of ♥♥♥♥.

Our entire society is suffering from a short attention span and an addiction on instant gratification. All you have to do is watch any older youtuber who will at one point or another, whine about how broken and ridiculous the system and algoritms are and how much they have to work in order to stay "Relevant" the gaming`s f2p model is just another symptom of that, honestly aren`t you guys tired of endless grind and every single game`s endgame content being locked behind a myriad of either thousands of gameplay hours or hundreds of dollars? Wouldn`t you rather play something with a bit of value?

Just look at the anime industry and its giant pile of trash LN adaptations, the entirety of our entertainment system is falling appart all across the board because of people like these, who have the nerve to accuse the author of overhyping his game when if you stop and think, the amount of new and innovative content would have been impossible to sell or distribute otherwise.

Ok this topic is a bit off track but worth mentioning.
I've also been a gamer my entire life, since I literally have memory. I remember my first computer... I still have it though it's like , no, IT IS a part of my family.

I've played so many games on it... good ones. Games that were completely the opposite of what games are now. Good plots, good functionalities... I didn't (and I don't) care about graphics, which seems to be today's objective...

I just want games that make you feel full or empty , depending on what you have played not games that only leave empty your wallet. Speaking of which, micro transactions really make me sick . Seriously? Paying inside a game for in-game content that actually affects my game experience? WTF

I'd accept skins... but come on? This has gone too far.

As for anime, I'm glad I don't follow any ( surprising right?) but I've noticed the brutal worsening of quality both in anime and occidental cartoons ( Cartoon Network is digging its own grave...)

Big companies go for the money, not caring one bit about quality and then there are the people that have the guts to blame authors who have done an amazing job in order to stand out without having to deal with their :poop:

Originally posted by Thatwasme:
honestly this just makes me appericiate DDLC that much more because at least Salvato is trying something different and isn`t holding back any punches. He literally smacks us in the face with the tropes of each genre, breaks the 4th wall and foces us to think properly about the fact that we wouldn`t even have considered his work worth our time, had it not been free.

That stupid thread simply brings out yet another deconstruction and that`s of how stupid people can be, forcing creative thinkers and entertainers to dish out piles and heaps of crap in order to stay relevant, instead of letting them take their time and actually create something of value.

Sorry about the rhant but i feel like sterilizing peolpe en-masse whenever i see them do ♥♥♥♥ like this, arguing against an art piece after completely missing the point.

This game is a big addition to a rule I'm starting to follow: Indies are better
I've had much more fun with DDLC ( during and after playing) than with most AAA I've played
DDLC is a cry of attention to those who "judge books by their cover". This clearly proves them wrong...
Artists are trully underrated in our actual society... All of them. It's a shame though...

Ok sorry everyone for this "comment" but I felt that I had to vent off. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees that our society is falling apart! (which is sad actually)

Last edited by Kisaragi Yukano; Dec 25, 2017 @ 6:51pm
Scheneighnay Dec 25, 2017 @ 7:14pm 
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
This game is a big addition to a rule I'm starting to follow: Indies are better
I've had much more fun with DDLC ( during and after playing) than with most AAA I've played
DDLC is a cry of attention to those who "judge books by their cover". This clearly proves them wrong...
Artists are trully underrated in our actual society... All of them. It's a shame though...

Ok sorry everyone for this "comment" but I felt that I had to vent off. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees that our society is falling apart! (which is sad actually)
I've realized that for a long time now- AAA is always mediocre at best; indie studios always do it better.

Hell, even when the Hitman devs broke away from Square Enix it was a step up.
Kisaragi Yukano Dec 25, 2017 @ 7:14pm 
Originally posted by xae-chan:
fanmade content was a sure thing, just as groups like ours was also an inevitability. I'm sure Dan was counting on it to see what we'd come up with, that he could use. Also, there are lots of Monika's but only three that count: lilmoniX3, the real Just Monika, and one real Monika. The thing that separates them from all others is the hints and help for those who go beyond the game into speculationland.

And I have NO doubt the trio report regularly back to him. Heh. ("wow, I thought I was weird.")

Indeed groups like ours (or even bigger) were expected. This reminds me of the Binding Of Isaac community when secrets and easter eggs started to appear...Good times and good communities indeed. I also agree that those "girls" probably inform Dan about what's going on in the battlefront.


Originally posted by xae-chan:
re dynamic software, I will digress a little here but it will come back relevance. Keen's the only economist that predicted the GFC, Dec 2005. One of his influences was Minsky's "stability breeds instability". And Keen says the whole of neoclassical economics provides models that don't work. So for at least 15 years he's been working on a computer model that reflects the real world. It's not all that different from a stochastic gradient descent.(Hi, DG.)

(Incidntally, I saw one little clue in November, 2006 that told me the whole house of cards was gonna collapse. That was the largest drywall manufacturer laying off 11,000 workers. I warned a number of ppl then but ended up as sour as Natsuki. Btw, I guess you never got the route of baking with Natsuki.)

What do you mean I never got the baking route with Natsuki? If you're going to judge please do it from there *points "Natsuki's appreciation thread" *

Just kidding ahaha. I've liked your comments about the economic models.I'm not an expert on economics, more like the opposite, but I've always believed that economics nowadays are on quicksand. Trying to predict the future will only drag you more to the bottom. We really need to change our mentality and vision... using deprecated models is no longer a feasible solution

Originally posted by xae-chan:
Okay, everyone. Dynamic software and neural nets and Markov chains or processes are all in the same ballpark. If you could apply deep learning to a script, you might get a Monika.

Salvato's motive for DDLC was probably multi-faceted but studying his past history might reveal something about his thinking. And he's 26 ...

Deep learning is evolving at an astonishing rate. In my opinion, if deep learning could be applied to chatter bot algorythms ( like Mitsuku for instance) we could achieve some sort of talking script... But in order to make something "self-aware"... man, we sure need to improve our technology a lot.

Watching people so young making such big things makes you feel a little bit discouraged, right? Because we all have amazing ideas that would probably make us famous, but we either don't have the guts to do it or we don't have the resources needed.

Man, this world sure is hard, ahaha
Last edited by Kisaragi Yukano; Dec 25, 2017 @ 7:35pm
kwhero Dec 25, 2017 @ 8:20pm 
So today, I've been thinking about Act 4. To me, it also shows Monika's control over the script. For no particular reason, everything in Act 4 goes perfectly smoothly, completely changed from Act 1. Sayori isn't depressed, MC is happy to join the club of his own free will, Yuri and Natsuki are getting along. Stuff that didn't happen naturally. That is, until Sayori derails it. It just makes me wonder, what if Sayori got that power not from being president of the club, but because she got that trait from Monika going by our "club members are parts of her" theory. But then, why would she only awaken this power now? Maybe because she's always had it.

In Act 1, Monika had to actually speak to Sayori and convince her to kill herself with words.

"Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
Get out of my head before I show you how much I love you.
Get out of my head before I finish writing this poem.
But a poem is never actually finished.
It just stops moving."

It's very creepy and all, and what better place to hide a clue than in such a tense moment? Don't those last two lines seem weird for someone who supposedly thinks they're going to be gone forever? What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get "in her head"?

The MC pointed out that Sayori can be pretty manipulative herself. The very first time I played the game, the error message behind Sayori said that it occured at chapter 5, line 307. I knew how to get into the script so I checked it immediately. Nothing special happens at that line, but it's a line that the MC was thinking: "That's why I can't believe what my eyes are showing me...!" I took that as a secret message that Sayori didn't do this to herself, and I was right. But now looking back at it, there might be a deeper meaning behind that line. That we can't believe that Sayori was dead. She faked her death to make Monika think that she had total control. I also noticed that Sayori's character file disappeared as Monika deleted it in panic, but she was still hanging dead on the screen. One of many things that prove the character files actually do nothing both in the game's story and in the real world.

Meanwhile, Monika does her thing as Sayori watches. Monika destroys the script and deletes the other girls. Sayori's plan was to get you to get rid of Monika, who she's not strong enough to fight on her own. But Monika isn't oblivious to this. She helps you along, giving hints on how to delete her. And once Act 4 starts, Sayori thinks Monika is deleted. Exactly what Monika wants her to think. If you try to put Monika's file back, she'll refuse because she needs to stay hidden. Once Sayori shows up again and blows her cover that she has script control, Monika decides to delete the entire game, ensuring that Sayori's power is contained. THE END.

--

While I'd like to say I'm happy with that theory, it might have a few holes in it and could use more tweeking. I'm mostly posting it because I thought it makes for an interesting train of thought.
Last edited by kwhero; Dec 25, 2017 @ 9:19pm
Scheneighnay Dec 25, 2017 @ 9:03pm 
Originally posted by kwhero449:
So today, I've been thinking about Act 4. To me, it also shows Monika's control over the script. For no particular reason, everything in Act 4 goes perfectly smoothly, completely changed from Act 1. Sayori isn't depressed, MC is happy to join the club of his own free will, Yuri and Natsuki are getting along. Stuff that didn't happen naturally. That is, until Sayori derails it. It just makes me wonder, what if Sayori got that power not from being president of the club, but because she got that trait Monika going by our "club members are parts of her" theory. But then, why would she only awaken this power now? Maybe because she's always had it.

In Act 1, Monika had to actually speak to Sayori and convince her to kill herself with words.

"Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
Get out of my head before I show you how much I love you.
Get out of my head before I finish writing this poem.
But a poem is never actually finished.
It just stops moving."

It's very creepy and all, and what better place to hide a clue than in such a tense moment? Don't those last two lines seem weird for someone who supposedly thinks they're going to be gone forever? What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get "in her head"?

The MC pointed out that Sayori can be pretty manipulative herself. The very first time I played the game, the error message behind Sayori said that it occured at chapter 5, line 307. I knew how to get into the script so I checked it immediately. Nothing special happens at that line, but it's a line that the MC was thinking. "That's why I can't believe what my eyes are showing me...!" I took that as a secret message that Sayori didn't do this to herself, and I was right. But now looking back at it, there might be a deeper meaning behind that line. That we can't believe that Sayori was dead. She faked her death to make Monika think that she had total control. I also noticed that Sayori's character file disappeared as Monika deleted it in panic, but she was still hanging dead on the screen. One of many things that prove the character files actually do nothing both in the game's story and in the real world.

Meanwhile, Monika does her thing as Sayori watches. Monika destroys the script and deletes the other girls. Sayori's plan was to get you to get rid of Monika, who she's not strong enough to fight on her own. But Monika isn't oblivious to this. She helps you along, giving hints on how to delete her. And once Act 4 starts, Sayori thinks Monika is deleted. Exactly what Monika wants her to think. If you try to put Monika's file back, she'll refuse because she needs to stay hidden. Once Sayori shows up again and blows her cover that she has script control, Monika decides to delete the entire game, ensuring that Sayori's power is contained. THE END.

--

While I'd like to say I'm happy with that theory, it might have a few holes in it and could use more tweeking. I'm mostly posting it because I thought it makes for an interesting train of thought.
Might explain why deleting anyone other than Monika causes Sayori to appear and start to panic.
Thatwasme Dec 25, 2017 @ 9:43pm 
And the plot thickens :D
The theory certainly does seem sound, remember the file that mentions Sayori`s original deletion? "She`s the one making this difficult."
there might be some internal struggle going on.
Also in the very begining of the 1st act, Natsuki says she doesn`t like horror and then looks at you, presumably because she likes manga but it keeps hitting me square in the face every time i think about it...

What i don`t get when following this logic is the difference between the normal ending where monika and sayori duke it out at the end, where sayori displays the exact same obsessive behavior as monika and the full one, where she couldn`t care less but to say thanks and send you on your merry way.
Keeps pointing me down the path of monika being the boss to be overcome so that the characters can evolve... a representation for the game... yada yada yada
xae-chan Dec 25, 2017 @ 10:34pm 
Okay, everyone. A little history lesson. Yes, 'our' ssociety is fallling apart. (So aare the others.) Consider the American experience. In 1800, the country was functionally bankrupt. About 42% of the populaace was illiterate. But they worked hard, root hog or die. By the end of the century American agriculture was the breadbasket of the world.

Unfortunately, the rot set in with the Populist Party around 1890. They wanted an income tax (soak the rich!) They wanted a 'flexible' currency and some wanted free coinage of silver. Oh, they wanted a lot more. Women's suffrage. They really wanted democracy on steroids: popular election of senators. The existing rule was appointment of senators for Washington,DC. But it's in the ... "We don' need no steenkin' Constitution to upset our plans.

So they got it, much of it when Woodrow Wilson was at the helm ... good and hard. Fast forward 90 years and, G.Bush: "It's just a Goddamned piece of paper." Once the U.S. dollar was literally good as gold and the Federal Reserve System fixed that. Et cetera and so forth.

When you live as long as I have, it gives you a whole new perspective on life.More than half my life here in Australia (still with U.S. passport (expired)). Sometimes I think of making a website: Republic of America in Exile. I see no vestige of a republic back there, it was kicked to death with hardly a whimper at some point in the 20th C.

Someone once said, in a democracy you get the president you deserve. That's been true for a long time.

Thanks for listening.

Now we return to the regular business of the PIANO Theory Society.

SF author many, many years ago was giving a lecture at some university. Afterward, a woman came up to him nd said, "Mr. Sturgeon, why is so much of science fiction utter rubbish?"

He looked at her fo r a long moment, then replied: "Madam, ninety percent of everything is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t."

That axiom has served me well from the time I heard it. This is why I can be an anime fan and enjoy the ten percent, I was never much of a gamer, jobs and family pretty well used upmy disposable time. And travel. '68, building WXIX-TV literally from the ground up. '69-70, Saudi Arabia. '71 and halfway through 72 i Providence, RI. '72-74, American Samoa. Finish 2 yr contract, get job in Hobart, Tasmania. 1975 was the year the country got colour TV. Etc.
One dreary, rainy day, I introduced my sons to tabletop gaming. And I suggesed my older son check out this thing called Dungeons and Dragons.

I guess it was about '76-77, I discovered computer bulletin boards Yes, gthere was online life before the internet. But we got the rep. of anti-social recluses. Heh. Every holiday long weekend we'd be in some other city for 3 days of drinking and dining out.

those early Jp computers, if Iwasn't online, I'd be playing with machine code. I was amused by trying variations of Conway's 'Life' and such things. Mw first extensive gaming was the popular BBS door game, Yankee Trader. Yeah, 1987.

The day came when I sold my soul to a shareware called Descent. 1995. Remember that one? Full rotation every which way,vertigo valley. I went through the 7 levels after Saturday shopping and had to have the real deal. Then D2 and D3. I ised to hang names on the robots, people I worked for, with, or despite of. I still love that game. So many people couldn't handle gthe free rotation, nausea inducing. But the engine, gtextured polygone,efficient code, Why, it was a gamechanger. [Oh! OK, I'll stop. (That hurt!)]

Fast Forward, I discovered GOG. In the past two years I've backed several games. Only one was a vast disappointment - and I was a beta tester. When I saw it on Kickstarter, I pledged quicksmart. I was initially just testing the linux version. One update was ... WTF? And I went to my Win7 beast and it looked like it had been written in Sanskrit. OIr something. Anyway, point being, two dev teams not tallking to each other?

So, yeah, I'm now a gamer, not great but enjoying myself. Over 100 Gog games. The only late model one I really had to have was the Tesla Effect. And that's about it.



Kisaragi Yukano Dec 26, 2017 @ 8:35am 
Originally posted by kwhero449:
So today, I've been thinking about Act 4. To me, it also shows Monika's control over the script. For no particular reason, everything in Act 4 goes perfectly smoothly, completely changed from Act 1. Sayori isn't depressed, MC is happy to join the club of his own free will, Yuri and Natsuki are getting along. Stuff that didn't happen naturally. That is, until Sayori derails it. It just makes me wonder, what if Sayori got that power not from being president of the club, but because she got that trait from Monika going by our "club members are parts of her" theory. But then, why would she only awaken this power now? Maybe because she's always had it.

In Act 1, Monika had to actually speak to Sayori and convince her to kill herself with words.

"Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
Get out of my head before I show you how much I love you.
Get out of my head before I finish writing this poem.
But a poem is never actually finished.
It just stops moving."

It's very creepy and all, and what better place to hide a clue than in such a tense moment? Don't those last two lines seem weird for someone who supposedly thinks they're going to be gone forever? What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get "in her head"?

Before I start, I'm going to point to my previous Sayori theory in case you've missed it :P

Sayori's Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261

I agree with you that Sayori doesn't get her "power" by being the club's president. She gets it from somewhere else... I believe she awakens her power not only for being "a part of Monika" by also from experience. What experience? Being "dead" of course. Like we've said many times in the past, all the girls have power inside of them, but Monika's the only one aware of this.

Anyway, a thing that we've never thought of because we pretty took it for granted is:

What exactly did Monika tell Sayori to kill herself?

She used her depression against her and made her feel bad for dragging you to the club because of her greed to be with you even more? Probably

Or did Monika actually tell her that the world she was living in was fake, and that her love, the MC, was just something as fake as her?

That would explain the final part of her last poem. She actually knew that she wouldn't die , since everything is fake and all... Also, that would explain why Sayori regretted her decision while she was choking to death. She probably wanted to stay with you, even if everything was fake, and wanted you to stay away from Monika and her deviant plans.

This converges well with your idea of What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get "in her head"?
Because we can clearly see that she's totally aware now. Too bad she was left hanging with that idea right? (sheesh, I hate myself when I do these jokes)


Originally posted by kwhero449:
The MC pointed out that Sayori can be pretty manipulative herself. The very first time I played the game, the error message behind Sayori said that it occured at chapter 5, line 307. I knew how to get into the script so I checked it immediately. Nothing special happens at that line, but it's a line that the MC was thinking: "That's why I can't believe what my eyes are showing me...!" I took that as a secret message that Sayori didn't do this to herself, and I was right. But now looking back at it, there might be a deeper meaning behind that line. That we can't believe that Sayori was dead. She faked her death to make Monika think that she had total control. I also noticed that Sayori's character file disappeared as Monika deleted it in panic, but she was still hanging dead on the screen. One of many things that prove the character files actually do nothing both in the game's story and in the real world.

Meanwhile, Monika does her thing as Sayori watches. Monika destroys the script and deletes the other girls. Sayori's plan was to get you to get rid of Monika, who she's not strong enough to fight on her own. But Monika isn't oblivious to this. She helps you along, giving hints on how to delete her. And once Act 4 starts, Sayori thinks Monika is deleted. Exactly what Monika wants her to think. If you try to put Monika's file back, she'll refuse because she needs to stay hidden. Once Sayori shows up again and blows her cover that she has script control, Monika decides to delete the entire game, ensuring that Sayori's power is contained. THE END.

While I'd like to say I'm happy with that theory, it might have a few holes in it and could use more tweeking. I'm mostly posting it because I thought it makes for an interesting train of thought.

Sayori's suicide is absolutely caused, she did not actively thought of doing that at all. An evidence? Happy thoughts special poem. A drawing of Sayori hanging. At first sight it looks like she had drawn that herself before doing it . But look at her hands. They're all bloody. If you are going to kill yourself you don't think that you might actually regret, right?

This shows that the drawing was done by someone else or at least, modified by someone else. Who? By Monika of course.

Why did she do that? Probably because wanted you to believe Sayori killed herself because she decided to do so but she leaves clues at plain sight that it was her work. What a psycho, right?

Sayori trying to fake her death... a bit too fat-fetched, right? This would mean she outfoxed Monika, who had already everything planned. But we've discussed way crazier theories so this could actually be possible. And I agree that character files do not have any effect in-game nor "in real life"

They're either a representation of her feelings not their bodies ( this idea is a bit deprecated) or the different parts of Monika or secret messages left there to create an illusion of "humanity" to the real player.

It's true that during the game there are many Sayori references. Too many actually: Sayori hanging poster in the classroom , Sayori's scarejump in the backlog, Sayori's pointer, glitched Sayori after a poem... This could mean two things:

1- Sayori is actually watching from the shadows, following every Monika's movement and is trying to warn you about what's going on

2- Sayori, as a part of Monika, since she no longer "exists", causes problems to the game. Monika although she said she didn't care about them because they were not real, she feels some "regret" and causes this apparitions as a result.

In my opinion, I actually prefer the first one... This would make sense too even if we consider right the hypothesis that she's a part of Monika. This would also explain why Monika hears not only Sayori, but also the other girls in the Void. Are they trying to tell you something? Or are they just angry because what happened?

The second option works fine with this supposition too. Anyway, either case, deleting the files/girls, whatever you want to call them, cause glitches, some of them which can be seen by us and others that can only be experienced by Monika ( like the screams and stuff she hears)

I like your final reflexion that Sayori wanted you to get rid of Monika and that Monika was aware of this all along ( this reeks of MGQ...) It's true that if you try to put her again she refuses.

This idea works fine for the "normal" ending but in the "special" ending it doesn't quite fit. Moreover, why would Monika get deleted if she finally achieved her objective of being with you for all eternity?

Anyway, this would work fine in the normal ending. Monika was trying to ensure nothing like she had done would ever happen again and she was convinced that Sayori would actually try something.

Please, post any far-fetched or crazy ideas that you might have here ! It really helps us advance and we might find out something big anytime soon ahaha.



Kisaragi Yukano Dec 26, 2017 @ 8:55am 
Wow xae-chan you're quite a veteran already ahaha. Thanks for the history lesson straight from the History Club! Also, you seem to have quite a long record with games and travels... Congratulations :steamhappy: My record is waaaaaaay smaller but hey, I like it. That's what matters right?

BTW, I forgot yesterday to suggest you guys a game I played in the past. It's really cool and I bet you'll like it. It's a short game, less than 1 h, and it's free!

https://silverstring.itch.io/glitchhikers

I really hope you guys will like it !
kwhero Dec 26, 2017 @ 10:35am 
Yeah, that special ending was what threw me off. But it does explain a lot of the unanswered questions I had. It makes it hard to tell what Sayori's real goal is. To be with the player, or for everyone in the club to be happy? She says in the special ending that making everyone happy and caring about each other was all she ever wanted. If we take that at face value, it means that she wouldn't be happy with the normal ending and purposely provokes Monika to put a stop to it? I dunno, it's definitely a stretch.
Scheneighnay Dec 26, 2017 @ 10:54am 
But still, how do we explain that little bonus scene with Sayori if you delete someone at the wrong time.

She'll appear, then say
"What is this?"
"What am I?"
"PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!"
Then resets the game.
Scheneighnay Dec 26, 2017 @ 11:14am 
Originally posted by ★lilSilverMonix:
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
But still, how do we explain that little bonus scene with Sayori if you delete someone at the wrong time.

She'll appear, then say
"What is this?"
"What am I?"
"PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!"
Then resets the game.
Well you mean When you delete Monika.chr when you start the game?? Well that happens when an AI Script went sentient or "Self-Aware" like Monika, but what makes it diffrent is that event occur early before the story or act starts..
BTW check this for more information, DearG got so many awnser for your question!
Sayori's Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261
It happens if you delete anyone, even Sayori.
kwhero Dec 26, 2017 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
It happens if you delete anyone, even Sayori.
Here's what it says in the script. Looks like it only checks for Monika.

python:
try: renpy.file("../characters/monika.chr")
except: renpy.jump("ch0_kill")
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