Thief: Deadly Shadows

Thief: Deadly Shadows

Lord Zankon Feb 19, 2014 @ 1:57pm
Thief 3 unable to run, steam issue
It appears that when I start it (using sneaky upgrade and have been going through most of the game) it won't start up, steam just flickers saying starting Thief, and it continues to do this, never stopping, Fix and ideas? Just happened today.
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doom Feb 19, 2014 @ 5:20pm 
same with you since tried with runi ncompatatbitly mode and nothing happend
YokozpwneR Feb 20, 2014 @ 8:40am 
same for me
Suicide Machine Feb 20, 2014 @ 9:14am 
Can't help you - the game is still working fine for me. And I have no idea at the moment how to analyze that problem.
doom Feb 20, 2014 @ 9:20am 
tried to verfiy but that didnt work
hexhunter Feb 20, 2014 @ 2:33pm 
Same thing, reinstalling didn't work.

Someone on a forum had this issue in 2011 but I couldn't find a solution.
doom Feb 20, 2014 @ 2:34pm 
well i reinstalled it on my hdd and it worked i had it on my external 1tb
hexhunter Feb 20, 2014 @ 6:27pm 
I checked and it was installed on my SSD, I reinstalled it to my Hard Drive and now it appears to work.
jorimt Feb 21, 2014 @ 10:54am 
Exact same issue here. Was playing a couple of weeks ago with no issue. Tried it again the other day, and that happened. Guess I'll just have to reinstall it.
jorimt Feb 21, 2014 @ 11:27am 
Yup, I can confirm that having it installed on a second drive was also my problem. Reinstalled it on my main drive, and it's working again. Who knows, maybe a recent Steam client update broke something for those who had it installed on secondary drive.
Last edited by jorimt; Feb 21, 2014 @ 11:28am
hexhunter Feb 21, 2014 @ 11:37am 
I had it installed to my system drive first, thought an SSD might speed up those loading screens.

Here's my details, maybe if we gather some data we can troubleshoot this.

Intel SSD SC2BW 240 A4 - Windows 8.1 installed - Didn't work
Western Digital WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 - Works
Last edited by hexhunter; Feb 21, 2014 @ 11:37am
jorimt Feb 21, 2014 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by hexhunter:
I had it installed to my system drive first, thought an SSD might speed up those loading screens.

Here's my details, maybe if we gather some data we can troubleshoot this.

Intel SSD SC2BW 240 A4 - Windows 8.1 installed - Didn't work
Western Digital WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 - Works

Weird, again, it was working on my secondary drive (WD 1TB Caviar Black) until I took a break from it for a week or so, tried to launch it the other day, and that issue happened. I also have the Sneaky Upgrade installed, I didn't try it without it.

The only thing that changed on my computer in that span of time was a Steam client update. After I installed it on my main drive (WD 500GB Blue, Win 7), it worked again, Sneaky Upgrade and all.

If all or most of us have the same issue, I'm thinking it isn't because of having an SSD or Win 8, and from the looks of it, it may not always be an exclusive problem when installed on the secondary drive.

Since it's cropped up so recently (at least on this forum), I'm starting to think it's most likely on Steam's side with how they are reading the install files? Or perhaps a recent Steam update introduced an incompatability with the Sneaky Upgrade?
Last edited by jorimt; Feb 21, 2014 @ 11:57am
Suicide Machine Feb 21, 2014 @ 12:50pm 
Originally posted by jorimt:
Since it's cropped up so recently (at least on this forum), I'm starting to think it's most likely on Steam's side with how they are reading the install files? Or perhaps a recent Steam update introduced an incompatability with the Sneaky Upgrade?

What do you mean "how they are reading the install files"? These are uncompressed files, just like any other release. The thing that may happen is Steam verifying the files and replacing with original ones, but that usually happens only when you try "repairing" Steam or you remove some important files for Steam, like the blob file.

A Steam update screwing up Sneaky Upgrade is a possibility - the thing is, I have Windows 7 and only HDDs (because SSDs are ridiculously expensive here at the moment). I'm also using Steam Beta update branch - either way, not experienced any problems with Steam screwing up Sneaking Upgrade so far.
jorimt Feb 21, 2014 @ 1:43pm 
Originally posted by Suicide Machine:
Originally posted by jorimt:
Since it's cropped up so recently (at least on this forum), I'm starting to think it's most likely on Steam's side with how they are reading the install files? Or perhaps a recent Steam update introduced an incompatability with the Sneaky Upgrade?

What do you mean "how they are reading the install files"? These are uncompressed files, just like any other release. The thing that may happen is Steam verifying the files and replacing with original ones, but that usually happens only when you try "repairing" Steam or you remove some important files for Steam, like the blob file.

A Steam update screwing up Sneaky Upgrade is a possibility - the thing is, I have Windows 7 and only HDDs (because SSDs are ridiculously expensive here at the moment). I'm also using Steam Beta update branch - either way, not experienced any problems with Steam screwing up Sneaking Upgrade so far.

Sorry, what I mean is how Steam has made it possible to install games into a secondary library or onto another hard drive (isn't it called "Steamworks?" I'm not sure). If you remember, at one point not very long ago, this was not possible, and they added support for this by a game by game basis.

I'm just wondering if a recent Steam Client update created a directory issue for some with this specific game and Sneaky Upgrade installed. Sneaky Upgrade does need to be pointed to a specific install directory to work properly. Just thinking out loud here.
Last edited by jorimt; Feb 21, 2014 @ 1:44pm
Suicide Machine Feb 21, 2014 @ 1:57pm 
Originally posted by jorimt:
Originally posted by Suicide Machine:

What do you mean "how they are reading the install files"? These are uncompressed files, just like any other release. The thing that may happen is Steam verifying the files and replacing with original ones, but that usually happens only when you try "repairing" Steam or you remove some important files for Steam, like the blob file.

A Steam update screwing up Sneaky Upgrade is a possibility - the thing is, I have Windows 7 and only HDDs (because SSDs are ridiculously expensive here at the moment). I'm also using Steam Beta update branch - either way, not experienced any problems with Steam screwing up Sneaking Upgrade so far.

Sorry, what I mean is how Steam has made it possible to install games into a secondary library or onto another hard drive (isn't it called "Steamworks?" I'm not sure). If you remember, at one point not very long ago, this was not possible, and they added support for this by a game by game basis.

I'm just wondering if a recent Steam Client update created a directory issue for some with this specific game and Sneaky Upgrade installed. Sneaky Upgrade does need to be pointed to a specific install directory to work properly. Just thinking out loud here.

Nah... most likely not. What I'm thinking is that it's possible, that Thief: Deadly Shadows - like many games that used to be available in retail used to create registry that refer to a location it's installed in during its installation. Since, Steam just downloads files and doesn't launch any other installer, its Steam that creates these entries based on installscript.vdf that you find in your Thief directory. I know these entries are created properly when installing Thief: Deadly Shadows for the first time, but it might be that installation script skips them, if you remove the game and installs it in different location (as other preinstallation steps are usually skipped, if you reinstall the game on Steam).

These entries should be located in:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Ion Storm\Thief - Deadly Shadows

And no - Steamworks as far as I know refers in general to SteamAPI - which is partially DRM (as in - the game doesn't launch without Steam) and partially offers access to other Steam features like Steam Browser (so we don't have to use Gamespy and we can check on which server our friends are playing directly in Steam), Steam Achievements etc. I may not be entirely right - but it's more or less this. The thing with folders as far as I know it's just called Steam Library Folders.
Last edited by Suicide Machine; Feb 21, 2014 @ 2:03pm
jorimt Feb 21, 2014 @ 2:12pm 
Originally posted by Suicide Machine:
Originally posted by jorimt:

Sorry, what I mean is how Steam has made it possible to install games into a secondary library or onto another hard drive (isn't it called "Steamworks?" I'm not sure). If you remember, at one point not very long ago, this was not possible, and they added support for this by a game by game basis.

I'm just wondering if a recent Steam Client update created a directory issue for some with this specific game and Sneaky Upgrade installed. Sneaky Upgrade does need to be pointed to a specific install directory to work properly. Just thinking out loud here.

Nah... most likely not. What I'm thinking is that it's possible, that Thief: Deadly Shadows - like many games that used to be available in retail used to create registry that refer to a location it's installed in during its installation. Since, Steam just downloads files and doesn't launch any other installer, its Steam that creates these entries based on installscript.vdf that you find in your Thief directory. I know these entries are created properly when installing Thief: Deadly Shadows for the first time, but it might be that installation script skips them, if you remove the game and installs it in different location (as other preinstallation steps are usually skipped, if you reinstall the game on Steam).

These entries should be located in:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Ion Storm\Thief - Deadly Shadows

While I do agree this is obviously some sort of registry/install issue, what you said still doesn't explain why it was working for those of us that had an existing install of the game, and then all of a sudden it didn't, with no change on our side.

With that said, and If this isn't a simple fluke affecting a few people, then it had to have been caused by a Steam client update modifying files that corrupted the existing installs for this specific game, perhaps exhaserbated by those who had the game installed with the Sneaky Upgrade, which remember, isn't even an official fix.

Maybe the very reason it didn't effect your install is because you are opted into the Steam Beta updates branch. I don't know about the others, but I'm not opted into the beta updates.

Again, just thinking out loud.
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Date Posted: Feb 19, 2014 @ 1:57pm
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