welp kid bu got screwed

[FightzoneITA]

So the patch brought a lot of characters up a tier at least:

- For starters the majority of the assists have more untech time ... translated , it means you have more time to confirm into something like a combo. For example before Nappa couldn't do saiba combo with tien at the corner. Now he can cause of the buff. Similiar buffs have been give to basically everyone except those who already had enough time to confirm.

- All Anti-air command grabs have been given upper body invincibility, so characters like vegeth , 16 and 21 can anti-air the ♥♥♥♥ out of ya if u're too careless ... this also applies to some other moves like Solar Flare for krillin.

- Kid bu got nerfed ... and not a little one at that. Basically he still has the lenghty legs but now he pays em hard. 2M (his low medium) got slightly slower but most importantly, he can no longer cross you up at the corner with wrecking ball AND he lost the 2S fireball in mix-up during pressure , basically when he launche a fireball above and got a free mix-up during pressure. Now when upclose he goes straight apparently.

EDIT: i interpreted wrongly what people told me xD basically kid bu can still do his mix-up BUT , like vegeta assist , the recovery on land is so big that you can reflect when he lands. So basically , after 2S he can : try to go high but once he lands you can reflect or do something (NOT ATTACK MIND YA) OR go Low but risking an answer since there's an actual gap this time around which in turn means , you can punish the little ♥♥♥♥er

- 16 still strong but now he lost the last mix-up he had ... he can no longer do a tick throw with the last hit of his command throw. So basically the last thing that remains is his long range with his normals and the increased damage on his throw. Commands did however get sped up for some characters , don't know him specificall.

- Cell still top but got some reduced damage and he no longer has a 6 frame jab , rather a 7 frame probably (no frame data at the moment) so he can be contested way more after for example a 6M. He'll still be a pain though and he still has long range , so watch out.

- Bardock got a slight nerf and one i'm still trying to confirm. First he lost his main entrance , meaning his Rebellion Spear + Vanish is not a true block string. If they do that , you can reflect when the vanish starts and probably punish with something. Basically in a mirror match the first bardock that ♥♥♥♥s up his rebellion spear is screwed cause gets a free punish from the opponent Rebellion Spear or anything like that.
Also , he seems to have lost his 236M set-up (Rebellion Spear Medium) but i'm not really sure about it yet. Need to be confirmed by someone else.

EDIT: 236L ... is basically dead. A vanish on Spear is not just a reflect but a FULL ON 2H punish. Also he lost his basic LV3>Safejump set-up with 236M mid-screen in High or Low. If he goes low you can jump in the air but if he goes high (through air dash) , he gets the same recovery on landing meaning there's a gap for reflecting or reversal. Put simply without conditioning that set-up is pointless.

- Gotenks is basically the new kid bu once he enters so be prepared to see a lot of em in the future. Trust me ... you'll see him way more now cause i play the little guy and already knew that would happen after the nerfs to some of the tops.

Some low tiers got some decent buffs but i wanna focus on the major changes here.
PS: GIMME BASIC VEGETA ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the more i see him from video the more i wanna play THAT VEGETA

[Horror Dragon]

Question do the cast of characters feel equal now?

[FightzoneITA]

Escrito originalmente por TerrörDragon:

Question do the cast of characters feel equal now?

We're far from it, but it is a step forward in that direction. Right now there are just 4 actually dangerous top tiers + Adult gohan up there because he didn't get touched.

[Lundaelle]

i am happy they nerfed bardocks 236+L, kid buu and cell. but that's where it ends.
i was expecting better buffs to low-tiers characters.

[Lundaelle]

like maybe piccolo finally getting a better way to get a knock down

Edit: and maybe make it so nappa does not need to use so much ki to get damage a normal character can do

[FightzoneITA]

Escrito originalmente por Lundaelle:

like maybe piccolo finally getting a better way to get a knock down

It's still something , actually some other low tiers got more buffs than other. Nappa for instance now has 3 lows , blue goku now has an actual command throw that it's useful and it's scary as ♥♥♥♥ lol. Beerus now can cancel his normals if he hits his orbs and that means he can launch his orb and cover his approach with a special.
Hell even Krillin got a better rock that now can actually beat people pressing buttons. For now it's good enough , but ehi , we can hope for more once cooler 17 drop in the game

[Lundaelle]

Escrito originalmente por FightzoneITA:

Escrito originalmente por Lundaelle:

like maybe piccolo finally getting a better way to get a knock down

It's still something , actually some other low tiers got more buffs than other. Nappa for instance now has 3 lows , blue goku now has an actual command throw that it's useful and it's scary as ♥♥♥♥ lol. Beerus now can cancel his normals if he hits his orbs and that means he can launch his orb and cover his approach with a special.
Hell even Krillin got a better rock that now can actually beat people pressing buttons. For now it's good enough , but ehi , we can hope for more once cooler 17 drop in the game

BTW did Nappa's 2M actual not hit low before?

[Lundaelle]

it's what it says here https://www.evernote.com/shard/s296/sh/c3b049fe-9e8b-4128-b1d4-9f684d4f5169/92bc06a9c70f4a009bf80d2993e50261

[FightzoneITA]

Escrito originalmente por Lundaelle:

Escrito originalmente por FightzoneITA:

It's still something , actually some other low tiers got more buffs than other. Nappa for instance now has 3 lows , blue goku now has an actual command throw that it's useful and it's scary as ♥♥♥♥ lol. Beerus now can cancel his normals if he hits his orbs and that means he can launch his orb and cover his approach with a special.
Hell even Krillin got a better rock that now can actually beat people pressing buttons. For now it's good enough , but ehi , we can hope for more once cooler 17 drop in the game

BTW did he's 2M actual not hit low before?

Yes , nappa original low was 5M and not 2M which instead was a simple mid attack ... now both of em are lows and even 5L adds up to that

[Horror Dragon]

Escrito originalmente por FightzoneITA:

Escrito originalmente por Lundaelle:

like maybe piccolo finally getting a better way to get a knock down

It's still something , actually some other low tiers got more buffs than other. Nappa for instance now has 3 lows , blue goku now has an actual command throw that it's useful and it's scary as ♥♥♥♥ lol. Beerus now can cancel his normals if he hits his orbs and that means he can launch his orb and cover his approach with a special.
Hell even Krillin got a better rock that now can actually beat people pressing buttons. For now it's good enough , but ehi , we can hope for more once cooler 17 drop in the game

Yea I think that the really big buffs or nerfs will come after Cooler and 17 are released. Oh and I think that they will come sooner then we think, because arcsys maybe wants all of the season 1 dlc released before the Nintendo switch version is released

[Lundaelle]

Escrito originalmente por TerrörDragon:

Escrito originalmente por FightzoneITA:

It's still something , actually some other low tiers got more buffs than other. Nappa for instance now has 3 lows , blue goku now has an actual command throw that it's useful and it's scary as ♥♥♥♥ lol. Beerus now can cancel his normals if he hits his orbs and that means he can launch his orb and cover his approach with a special.
Hell even Krillin got a better rock that now can actually beat people pressing buttons. For now it's good enough , but ehi , we can hope for more once cooler 17 drop in the game

Yea I think that the really big buffs or nerfs will come after Cooler and 17 are released. Oh and I think that they will come sooner then we think, because arcsys maybe wants all of the season 1 dlc released before the Nintendo switch version is released

i REALLY doubt that. that they are gonna get them out before switch release

[Dokainin]

Many of the buffs are only really apparant to the people who play the characters. Like Yamcha for example... 2 small changes make a huge difference in his weakest area... damage.

Vegeta Blue can do crazy stuff now and has Sparkless ToD potential.

Teen Gohan got a very interesting buff that I am sure players will figure out how to use.

Frieza now has some crazy potential in Golden Form with reverse beat. and general buffs to other things

Tien is actually absurd now in his damage potential with the right assists, EX Volleyball finisher into assist or vanish extensions can yield 55% damage with no super attack. and he can burn 7 bars in sparking and only lose 40% health instead of 80%... dude is easily top tier now all things considered.

Fat Buu Stand light got the Broly treatment and he hip smacks shorties now... so he lost his biggest weakness and still has the single best mixup in the game.

Nappa... just... yikes

Overall this is a very significant patch and I look forward to seeing how the meta shifts over the next few weeks

[FightzoneITA]

Escrito originalmente por Dokainin:

Many of the buffs are only really apparant to the people who play the characters. Like Yamcha for example... 2 small changes make a huge difference in his weakest area... damage.

Vegeta Blue can do crazy stuff now and has Sparkless ToD potential.

Teen Gohan got a very interesting buff that I am sure players will figure out how to use.

Frieza now has some crazy potential in Golden Form with reverse beat. and general buffs to other things

Tien is actually absurd now in his damage potential with the right assists, EX Volleyball finisher into assist or vanish extensions can yield 55% damage with no super attack. and he can burn 7 bars in sparking and only lose 40% health instead of 80%... dude is easily top tier now all things considered.

Fat Buu Stand light got the Broly treatment and he hip smacks shorties now... so he lost his biggest weakness and still has the single best mixup in the game.

Nappa... just... yikes

Overall this is a very significant patch and I look forward to seeing how the meta shifts over the next few weeks

I play Teen Gohan , Tien , i played a little bit of fat bu and nappa is my main along side broly. Some of these buffs allow for soooo much more stuff now , especially assists wise for instance i found more compatible characters with nappa and i can't be happy enough for it xD

Broly also got that """nerf""" where he gets hit out of armor from vanish and that is SOOOOO DOPE , because he can't be punished for full punishes anymore on his eraser blow or the grab. It's good but they can add even more to some other char

[DU-wang]

You're about to see a lot of Nappa and Zamasu.

[BodyOrgan]

21 lost her 2M starter. The range is so paltry after a backdash she can't attack you low. The 3M proration is also massive. You can spend 4 bar and only get 3500k.

[DU-wang]

Escrito originalmente por BodyOrgan:

21 lost her 2M starter. The range is so paltry after a backdash she can't attack you low. The 3M proration is also massive. You can spend 4 bar and only get 3500k.

21 also got a 50/50 from whiff 214S in blockstrings. That and her now buffed assist make her a really good anchor or mid