JOSEPH ENDING (SPOILERS)

[Femi]

Here's all the info I've found about Josephs true ending. Let's see if we can figure out how to actually play it!

https://notyourdreamdad.tumblr.com/post/163242131177/i-dug-around-in-the-game-files-in-dream-daddy

https://jaalsucksdick.tumblr.com/post/163242073664


https://68.media.tumblr.com/a9a5816944a94a978b1d7cf4aaea3032/tumblr_otfd3uRT391wrwmwho2_540.png

http://handsomejack.me/post/163244984437/from-level18-game-file

[HibblyJibbly]

Originally posted by WorldsaStage:

Originally posted by naz-hk:

"It's from part of a route for a certain character that is hidden in the game files but can't be triggered rn but it's super spoilery"
Huh. What? Huh...
Is hidden in the game files? Can't be triggered rn?
This is pretty confusing. What does it mean? Is the Mary bug actually important here and that's why we can't trigger anything now?

Sounds like we werent supposed to access the cult ending. So all of Josephs endings are terrible, and we dont get the joke ending.

Also, in a perfect world where we did get the cult ending, it would have been nice to end up with Robert. Since he's so entwined in Josephs story it would be better than a random cop hitting on you, and Robert would actually get a decent ending.

I think it would be nice if they had the dad you had the most points with show up. So if it's Robert, you get Robert. If it's Craig, Craig shows up. Etc. Etc. Throwing in a brand new protagonist at the end of a story is a general no in story telling. You're not supposed to do it because it throws the consumer out of the story.

It's not like Robert's daughter showing up at the end, because he's mentioned her prior to her arrival. So it feels natural for her to show up at the last minute.

[Invuska]

I have a question that I believe no one has directly answered in this thread before:

Has anybody managed to find a piece of text or dialog that signifies that a better ending for Joseph exists other than the three endings (S-rank dates, bad dates, cult) that we know of?

Because if there isn't it seems to me that either

• Cult ending is the canon true ending, and if it isn't,
  
• Joseph's story will be continued in a DLC or something.

[lleffect254]

Originally posted by babyarsenic:

Not only does the cult ending not have a start function, which makes it impossible to get in game, but I truly think the root of the problem lies in the "Walk Mary Home" scene. During Joseph's monologue in the cult ending, he talks about how you're trying to seduce all the dads and so on. This establishes the premise that in order to get that ending, you need to have developed prior relationships with multiple dads. In addition, in the cult ending, Mary needs to like you, which is achieved during the "Walk Mary Home" scene. That scene is triggered in two ways. The scene automatically happens after your second second date with any dad, except for Joseph, and instantly after your second date with Joseph. The difference is, that if it comes after your second date with Joseph, she get mad and doesn't like you/leaves alone.

Going back to how the cult ending is very blatant about the fact that you need to be currently seducing other dads, I assume that this means that the problem lies in Joseph's second date, because it should be a trigger for "Walk Mary Home" but only if you haven't done it before. So, what I think the actual way of getting the ending is dating two other dads (one of them has to be Robert so you can get the knife, the other I'm not sure). This gives the "Walk Mary Home". Only then should you go on the Joseph dates, which would result in you currently seducing other dads, Mary liking you, and you having the knife, ie. all the predetermined conditions for the cult ending.

However, the "Walk Mary Home" scene appears again, which overrules her liking you and the fact that you're already seducing other dads, which shouldn't happen. I personally assume that the Joseph variation of "Walk Mary Home" should only appear if you haven't dated two dads before hand, because then you wouldn't be seducing other dads and going straight for Joseph.

I'm not sure if that makes sense, but Idk, it's all I can think of.

That's my current theory! The fact that there have been 0 confirmed, not suspicious reports of anyone getting the ending so far furthers my suspicions. All the reports that claim somebody has gotten it have ended up with really weird, vague behavior on tumblr ("stop saying I got the achievement, now _ is happening!" whenever asked for advice) or turned out to be false.

I agree with the need to solidify all the current suggestions/knowledge into a big comment, like what has started to be done here. I highly recommend use of the discord posted within the first few comments of this thread for that, if possible. I'm not in the discord yet myself, but a whole lot of 'reveals' are starting to repeat/get reposted as new people discover them - and nobody can be expected to read through all 780 of the comments here so far!

side note, since this is over the third time I've seen it come up in this thread, if we can please leave the "like the cult ending or stop playing" argument to the other threads, that would be really nice.

[acehibari]

Originally posted by Invuska:

I have a question that I believe no one has directly answered in this thread before:

Has anybody managed to find a piece of text or dialog that signifies that a better ending for Joseph exists other than the three endings (S-rank dates, bad dates, cult) that we know of?

Because if there isn't it seems to me that either

• Cult ending is the canon true ending, and if it isn't,
  
• Joseph's story will be continued in a DLC or something.

At the end of Joseph's route, the dad thinks something along the lines of "Did I do something wrong? Was there something I could have done to make things better?" That isn't verbatim, but anyway the dialogue does hint at there being an alternate / better ending.

[SweetlyLeslie]

Originally posted by acehibari:

Originally posted by Invuska:

I have a question that I believe no one has directly answered in this thread before:

Has anybody managed to find a piece of text or dialog that signifies that a better ending for Joseph exists other than the three endings (S-rank dates, bad dates, cult) that we know of?

Because if there isn't it seems to me that either

• Cult ending is the canon true ending, and if it isn't,
  
• Joseph's story will be continued in a DLC or something.

At the end of Joseph's route, the dad thinks something along the lines of "Did I do something wrong? Was there something I could have done to make things better?" That isn't verbatim, but it does hint at there being an alternate / better ending.

I think that's what the WMH bug is preventing. At least, I'm hoping with all my thirsty heart that that is what it's preventing.
But I do truly hope there is a better ending because Mary turned out to be really loveable and I want her to find happiness away from Joseph. She deserves better.

[lleffect254]

Originally posted by acehibari:

Originally posted by Invuska:

I have a question that I believe no one has directly answered in this thread before:

Has anybody managed to find a piece of text or dialog that signifies that a better ending for Joseph exists other than the three endings (S-rank dates, bad dates, cult) that we know of?

Because if there isn't it seems to me that either

• Cult ending is the canon true ending, and if it isn't,
  
• Joseph's story will be continued in a DLC or something.

People have mentioned before that at the end of Joseph's route, the dad thinks something along the lines of "Did I do something wrong? Was there something I could have done to make things better?" That isn't verbatim, but it does hint at there being an alternate / better ending.

Yes, the route definitely has those words, which would be really out of place if the only other ending is worse? As somebody said a second ago, there's a theory that it's currently bugged out thanks to the confirmed Mary-related bug. (by the way, if anyone's gotten that bug, there's a Dev in the support forums asking for information so that they can fix it!)

This is super conjecture and reaching on my part, but the fact that the Dev says that the Walk Mary Home scene in general makes them really sad and is a "bummer" makes me think that maybe there's at least a happy ending for her, if not for Joseph too.

[TheRealSlimShady]

Hey, so I was digging around the level 18 file, and I happened to find the START key in the code only right before and right after the dialogue. Does that mean it can be triggered? Or does the key have to be some where else in the code in order to actually access this ending?

[babyarsenic]

Originally posted by Invuska:

I have a question that I believe no one has directly answered in this thread before:

Has anybody managed to find a piece of text or dialog that signifies that a better ending for Joseph exists other than the three endings (S-rank dates, bad dates, cult) that we know of?

Because if there isn't it seems to me that either

• Cult ending is the canon true ending, and if it isn't,
  
• Joseph's story will be continued in a DLC or something.

As far as I've seen from all the codes, there's thre endings for Joseph. The one that he returns to Mary, which I assume as the good/neutral one, as that one is attained from A/S rank on his dates. Then the side piece one, which I think is the bad/neutral one, because it's from getting bad ranks on his dates. And then the cult one, which so far, no one knows the ranks requirements for. Aside from that, I, and no one that I've seen, has found anything, which is upsetting, because as unrealistic as it might be, I would've liked an actual good ending with Joseph, but oh whale.

[babyarsenic]

Originally posted by TheRealSlimShady:

Hey, so I was digging around the level 18 file, and I happened to find the START key in the code only right before and right after the dialogue. Does that mean it can be triggered? Or does the key have to be some where else in the code in order to actually access this ending?

Having the Start key right next to dialogue means that it's in reference to the dialogue, meaning that once you enter the scene, the dialogue begins. However, there is no start or conditions (meaning that certain needs need to be met in order to initiate) key at the beginning of the instance. This means that you simply can't access the scene in general.

[TheRealSlimShady]

Originally posted by babyarsenic:

Originally posted by TheRealSlimShady:

Hey, so I was digging around the level 18 file, and I happened to find the START key in the code only right before and right after the dialogue. Does that mean it can be triggered? Or does the key have to be some where else in the code in order to actually access this ending?

Having the Start key right next to dialogue means that it's in reference to the dialogue, meaning that once you enter the scene, the dialogue begins. However, there is no start or conditions (meaning that certain needs need to be met in order to initiate) key at the beginning of the instance. This means that you simply can't access the scene in general.

Ah, okay, gotcha. Thank you.

[Hawke]

Originally posted by lleffect254:

Originally posted by babyarsenic:

Not only does the cult ending not have a start function, which makes it impossible to get in game, but I truly think the root of the problem lies in the "Walk Mary Home" scene. During Joseph's monologue in the cult ending, he talks about how you're trying to seduce all the dads and so on. This establishes the premise that in order to get that ending, you need to have developed prior relationships with multiple dads. In addition, in the cult ending, Mary needs to like you, which is achieved during the "Walk Mary Home" scene. That scene is triggered in two ways. The scene automatically happens after your second second date with any dad, except for Joseph, and instantly after your second date with Joseph. The difference is, that if it comes after your second date with Joseph, she get mad and doesn't like you/leaves alone.

Going back to how the cult ending is very blatant about the fact that you need to be currently seducing other dads, I assume that this means that the problem lies in Joseph's second date, because it should be a trigger for "Walk Mary Home" but only if you haven't done it before. So, what I think the actual way of getting the ending is dating two other dads (one of them has to be Robert so you can get the knife, the other I'm not sure). This gives the "Walk Mary Home". Only then should you go on the Joseph dates, which would result in you currently seducing other dads, Mary liking you, and you having the knife, ie. all the predetermined conditions for the cult ending.

However, the "Walk Mary Home" scene appears again, which overrules her liking you and the fact that you're already seducing other dads, which shouldn't happen. I personally assume that the Joseph variation of "Walk Mary Home" should only appear if you haven't dated two dads before hand, because then you wouldn't be seducing other dads and going straight for Joseph.

I'm not sure if that makes sense, but Idk, it's all I can think of.

That's my current theory! The fact that there have been 0 confirmed, not suspicious reports of anyone getting the ending so far furthers my suspicions. All the reports that claim somebody has gotten it have ended up with really weird, vague behavior on tumblr ("stop saying I got the achievement, now _ is happening!" whenever asked for advice) or turned out to be false.

I agree with the need to solidify all the current suggestions/knowledge into a big comment, like what has started to be done here. I highly recommend use of the discord posted within the first few comments of this thread for that, if possible. I'm not in the discord yet myself, but a whole lot of 'reveals' are starting to repeat/get reposted as new people discover them - and nobody can be expected to read through all 780 of the comments here so far!

side note, since this is over the third time I've seen it come up in this thread, if we can please leave the "like the cult ending or stop playing" argument to the other threads, that would be really nice.

ok so this is actually the first time ive seen this theory and it honestly makes a lot of sense. ive spent most of my time researching and my actual played time in game trying to figure out how to unlock this secret ending and so far havent gotten anything other than the "im staying with mary, im sorry" ending.
i even found a way to only trigger one WMH scene while dating multiple dads (in mine i did Robert for his knife and josephs 3rd date scenes, and Craig for his scene with joseph in the park) however the way i did this was dating robert twice, and then joesph twice to trigger the WMH scene where shes upset with you, and i think this is the reason it didnt trigger the alternate ending, because she automatically hates you in josephs WMH scene.

i did make sure to make my dadbook profile based off of joesphs interests, theres a google docs file up that tells you how each dad reacts to each option (daddy dad bad and baddy)

and ive done a routes where i slept with Robert, where i didnt sleep with him but asked about his tattoo, and where i just made friends with him (no tattoo or sleeping together)

[Rawst]

Originally posted by lleffect254:

Originally posted by acehibari:

People have mentioned before that at the end of Joseph's route, the dad thinks something along the lines of "Did I do something wrong? Was there something I could have done to make things better?" That isn't verbatim, but it does hint at there being an alternate / better ending.

Yes, the route definitely has those words, which would be really out of place if the only other ending is worse? As somebody said a second ago, there's a theory that it's currently bugged out thanks to the confirmed Mary-related bug. (by the way, if anyone's gotten that bug, there's a Dev in the support forums asking for information so that they can fix it!)

This is super conjecture and reaching on my part, but the fact that the Dev says that the Walk Mary Home scene in general makes them really sad and is a "bummer" makes me think that maybe there's at least a happy ending for her, if not for Joseph too.

Where is the support forum so we can add to it?

[Invuska]

Originally posted by babyarsenic:

Originally posted by Invuska:

I have a question that I believe no one has directly answered in this thread before:

Has anybody managed to find a piece of text or dialog that signifies that a better ending for Joseph exists other than the three endings (S-rank dates, bad dates, cult) that we know of?

Because if there isn't it seems to me that either

• Cult ending is the canon true ending, and if it isn't,
  
• Joseph's story will be continued in a DLC or something.

As far as I've seen from all the codes, there's thre endings for Joseph. The one that he returns to Mary, which I assume as the good/neutral one, as that one is attained from A/S rank on his dates. Then the side piece one, which I think is the bad/neutral one, because it's from getting bad ranks on his dates. And then the cult one, which so far, no one knows the ranks requirements for. Aside from that, I, and no one that I've seen, has found anything, which is upsetting, because as unrealistic as it might be, I would've liked an actual good ending with Joseph, but oh whale.

Yes, this is actually what I meant -- if people found dialogue or text of a "fourth" ending in the actual game code/text files. Sorry for being rather unspecific in my previous post.

Even if at the end they present the question "Was there something I could have done to make things better," if that better ending doesn't exist in the game code/text files then there may not even be a better ending no matter what choices you make. This and the fact that cult is apparently inaccessible because of no START key, or bugged because of WMH.

Which would lead me to believe that either the good ending will be continued further in an update/DLC, or that cult is canon and seriously please don't be canon

[meesie]

Probably been tried already but after reading 700 posts I can't remember:

Has anyone tried doing Joseph's dates twice, triggering WMH scene and letting her hate you, then going through Damien and Robert's 2 dates (since in these storylines, she plays a small supporting role), then going back to Joseph's 3rd date to see what happens?

To me it looks like everyone is trying to get Mary to like them and MAINTAIN it but the 2nd WMH trigger gets in the way of that, but why not let her hate you first, then you act awesome on the other dates with Damien/Robert (or everyone else, since Joseph states you go on seducing everyone) and see if she likes you then? Does anyone know if she acts normal and sweet after triggering the bad WMH scene, or she's automatically bitter towards you during those storylines thereafter?

if not then idek anymore my brains dead

[SweetlyLeslie]

Originally posted by meesie:

Probably been tried already but after reading 700 posts I can't remember:

Has anyone tried doing Joseph's dates twice, triggering WMH scene and letting her hate you, then going through Damien and Robert's 2 dates (since in these storylines, she plays a small supporting role), then going back to Joseph's 3rd date to see what happens?

To me it looks like everyone is trying to get Mary to like them and MAINTAIN it but the 2nd WMH trigger gets in the way of that, but why not let her hate you first, then you act awesome on the other dates with Damien/Robert (or everyone else, since Joseph states you go on seducing everyone) and see if she likes you then? Does anyone know if she acts normal and sweet after triggering the bad WMH scene, or she's automatically bitter towards you during those storylines thereafter?

if not then idek anymore my brains dead

Some have tried, but after dating Joseph first to trigger angry WMH and going back to date the other Dads to trigger sad/happy WMH, sad/happy WMH didn't trigger at all.