Is there a reasson monks have to be lawful.

[InvaderGrim]

Just as it says.I admit i dont know much about pathfinder law compared to dnd.

[Nismu]

I would think it is due discipline needed. Being above ones needs and so on.

[Slap Happy Pappy]

The alignment system is designed to prevent dual classing into things that would break the game. (Monk/druid for example)

[djinnxy]

reason number one. class balance.
aside from that the logic is they follow a rigorous rule set which defines the class. If the don't do that they aren't monk. think monestary and following a strict code.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by InvaderGrim:

Just as it says.I admit i dont know much about pathfinder law compared to dnd.

You have to be super displined to learn martial arts, and monks dial that up to 11

[Bob of Mage]

The Lawful requirement is due role playing elements of the class. Monks are meant to be people who hone their body with a strict set of rules and training. For example sitting under a freezing waterfall for an hour every day. Or refuse to eat anything the colour blue.

Having this mindset is very lawful and thus can only be mantained by a Lawful type person.

Originally posted by Slap Happy Pappy:

The alignment system is designed to prevent dual classing into things that would break the game. (Monk/druid for example)

Monk/Druid is totally doable as LN.

[itwillbefuntheysaid]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by InvaderGrim:

Just as it says.I admit i dont know much about pathfinder law compared to dnd.

You have to be super displined to learn martial arts, and monks dial that up to 11

But

Jackie Chan

Was never

LAWFUL

[Balkoth]

If anything it's to keep Barbarian from multiclassing to any of the other fun classes. Barbarian/Monk/Paladin would be really cool.

[djinnxy]

Originally posted by itwillbefuntheysaid:

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

You have to be super displined to learn martial arts, and monks dial that up to 11

But

Jackie Chan

Was never

LAWFUL

and jackie chan isn't a monk. he's an entertainer from start to finish. started training a long time ago to do what he does for movies. Look up Peking Opera School. Educational and entertaining.

[Sudanna]

Because they say so. There's no real reason paladins have to be LG either, or barbarians chaotic. "Someone that practices diligently is lawful" is a very suspect view of the lawful alignment. So is "Someone that believes in something specific is lawful".

[Kreuz]

Originally posted by Sudanna:

Because they say so. There's no real reason paladins have to be LG either, or barbarians chaotic. "Someone that practices diligently is lawful" is a very suspect view of the lawful alignment. So is "Someone that believes in something specific is lawful".

i like to think its more about the celestial law of causality than anything else, at least in the paladins and monks case

Originally posted by djinnxy:

Originally posted by itwillbefuntheysaid:

But

Jackie Chan

Was never

LAWFUL

and jackie chan isn't a monk. he's an entertainer from start to finish. started training a long time ago to do what he does for movies. Look up Peking Opera School. Educational and entertaining.

jackie is an unarmed rogue, sometimes pretending to be a monk

[Procrastinating Gamer]

Originally posted by itwillbefuntheysaid:

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

You have to be super displined to learn martial arts, and monks dial that up to 11

But

Jackie Chan

Was never

LAWFUL

If you wanted to make Jackie Chan as a Pathfinder character, you'd be using the Brawler[aonprd.com] class (which hasn't been implemented into Kingmaker).

[Kain Yusanagi]

Originally posted by Sudanna:

Because they say so. There's no real reason paladins have to be LG either, or barbarians chaotic. "Someone that practices diligently is lawful" is a very suspect view of the lawful alignment. So is "Someone that believes in something specific is lawful".

No, that's a very good view of the lawful alignment, as being lawful can mean following local laws, or it could mean just strictly following your own personal code. Devils, for example, are the latter, as are Paladins.

[Shahadem]

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why monks need to be lawful.

Monks are simply those who trained at a monastery and learned martial arts as a means of protecting the temple and themselves. Actually being a monk is no different from being a cleric. For some strange reason clerics are not alignment restricted which makes even less sense than having a restriction on monks because if anything monks should have a more lenient view of the world than clerics. It is clerics who should have to look at the world through the strict view of their religion.

There are plenty of examples of monks in fiction and history who would fit the neutral or chaotic descriptions. In fact one of my favorite martial arts movies features a monk who only comes into his own when he becomes neutral whereas the lawful monk is left in the dust, never learning true knowledge.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Lawful is about following a strict code of some kind, be that Kresten and Valarie who follow the law without falter, or a samari who follows the bushido code alot of people who play. Which is why the whole lawful good paladin cop mentality isn't all that accurate. Paladins CAN follow the letter fo the law but they might not if their faith says otherwise.

Originally posted by Shahadem:

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why monks need to be lawful.

Monks are simply those who trained at a monastery and learned martial arts as a means of protecting the temple and themselves.

There are plenty of examples of monks in fiction and history who would fit the neutral or chaotic descriptions. In fact one of my favorite martial arts movies features a monk who only comes into his own when he becomes neutral whereas the lawful monk is left in the dust, never learning true knowledge.

They might morally be grey or not follow the laws of the land BUT that doesn't make them chaotic. They STILL adhere to a very strict code be that that " i train for 10 hours a day doing 1000 punches " or " i meditate for 2 hours in the morning " That's why they are lawful.

Take Rocklee from naruto as a good example of a lawful monk, his entire mentality of " if i fail to do 1000 push ups i'll do 2000 pullups " Is why monks are lawful. They have this strict mentality when it comes to their training and any good martial artist has this.

[Hogs Fattman]

A lot of the alignment restrictions are holdovers from older editions, where there were even more restrictions.

It is especially silly because, even in those editions, there were kits/alternate classes so you could play your desired archetype without being shorehorned into a class with a race/alignment/whatever else restriction.

In some cases, it was also meant as a quick balance band-aid to stop certain combo's or get around certain weaknesses. IIRC, 5e did away with many of these alignment restrictions, and one of the best things about 3e was losing the previous racial class restrictions from 2e.