Why have 2 tiefling at the same slot?

[kunadam]

When a new tiefling comes I always have the hope that Farideh would become viable as main DPS. She needs lot of tieflings in the formation (pact family). But Shaka and Makos is on the same slot. Why?

[Noeh23]

Same reason Calli and Briv are in the same slot and any other pair we would wish was not in the same slot. CNE is trolling us :-)

[Soteria]

I'm not even sure they're trolling. I honestly think they don't think about slot positions (or game balance) the same way the community does. Like, when they put Krull in Krond's slot.

[kunadam]

Originally posted by Soteria:

I'm not even sure they're trolling. I honestly think they don't think about slot positions (or game balance) the same way the community does. Like, when they put Krull in Krond's slot.

That was another strange move. Those 2 would be super good in the same party.

[Jimmy]

Well id imagine its not super hard to swap some slot positions of certain champions...

I would say that there are so many variables with champions and variant balances that its probably an excel spreadsheet mess trying to figure out who to put where and with what stas.

[Konachibi]

I'd love to say the reason was 'game balance', but there are so many champions that are straight up OP, while there are other champions that are complete and total garbage. It'd make more sense at this point to just set every slot as 'free choice' and let players just choose what champion goes in to each slot from the entire pool instead of limiting the choices.

I too got excited when I saw Shaka was coming, "A 6th Tiefling to throw in to my Tieflings & Kobolds formation" I thought, then he came out and he was in Makos's slot.
In fact, not only does he go in to Makos's slot, but 9 out of 10 runs, he's going to be worse to use in the formation than Makos due to his Celestial Puzzle's randomisation, so that whole hype train didn't just get derailed, it crashed in to the indestructible wall of disappointment as it tumbled off the tracks. It's a real shame, 'cos Shaka looks cool, and his ability could be good if it worked in the player's favour, but he's simply too unreliable to consider using over a solid buffer like Makos.

[Soteria]

Being able to choose from the entire pool would break a lot of variants/challenges.

[OldGamer]

Well, if you remember, I had an idea when I first was playing to allow players to have one swap (of slots) per adventure. (eg Slot 6 Krond could play as well as Krull but just for that adventure)
I think that would be interesting.
ps maybe you would restrict this for variants.

[Konachibi]

Originally posted by Soteria:

Being able to choose from the entire pool would break a lot of variants/challenges.

Yeah, but Zorbu breaks a lot of challenges on his own once you've racked up the kills on him. There's a sort of 'breaking point' in the game where you have enough blessing, gold find, modron core level etc. that from that point on, all adventures and variants become trivialised, then it simply becomes a waiting game, waiting for any slap-dash formation you threw together to reach area 350 before completing the variant and moving on to the next, over and over and over. Being able to pick which champions we can use in each slot wouldn't break the balance any more than it already is.

[Soteria]

Sure--I'm not talking about OP champs though. There are variants that say things like:

"Every x levels a random slot becomes unusable."
"Only a single champion from each slot can be used. That champion changes every x levels."
"Only champions from odd slots may be used."
"Only the first x slots may be used."

[Konachibi]

Ah well yeah, that's a good point, those variants would kind of be self-defeating if slots were free choice.

[OldGamer]

Also isn't there a cap to how many champs they can have in each slot, at the moment , programming wise? I thought I heard that from Jason or one of the founders...at some point

[Noeh23]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Also isn't there a cap to how many champs they can have in each slot, at the moment , programming wise? I thought I heard that from Jason or one of the founders...at some point

if they do, it's arbitrary