Outcast - Second Contact

Outcast - Second Contact

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Shellshock Dec 4, 2017 @ 12:21pm
[Ending Spoilers] So a question regarding the game's story
After completing the game today I have a few questions left. I couldn't find anything apart from an entry on Wikipedia but no data to back it up.

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Anyhow, so after freeing Zokrym and the others that have been taken captive you get to see a recording of William Kauffmann. So on Wikipedia it says that Kauffmann was the one who started the propehcy of the Ulukai so that when Cutter Slade arrives the citizens of Adelpha help him.

Since you repeatedly hear in-game that Kazar spoke of one that would save them (the Ulukai) I think that Kauffmann is Kazar. So this leads me to three questions:

1.) If the plot entry on Wikipedia is correct, where do you find that information? I did almost all main quests and over 2/3 of the sub quests but couldn't find that information anywhere.

2.) If 1.) is correct then this means that Kauffmann is Kazar, correct?

3.) If I recall correctly, Kazar told the citizens of Adelpha to not be violent towards Fae Rhan (Xue) or Kroax but why?
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Stayce Dec 4, 2017 @ 4:44pm 
It's been a long time since I played through the game completely, and I'm working through the remake in fits and starts so take all of this with a pinch of salt, but as far as I remember, it's never outright stated that Kaufman was Kazar, just very very heavily implied.

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With the time dilation effect of travel through the wormhole, it seems that Kaufman arrived first, (he leaves to go through first during the intro movie), and being a genius physicist, worked out what had happened and that the others wouldn't be coming for quite some time. He then assimilated himself into Talan culture, teaching them and educating them to such an extent that they set him up as a prophet. Xue arrives, and as he's somewhat of an egomaniac (and later megalomaniac) disagrees with Kaufman on a number of issues, including how they should treat the Talan. He later, with the help of Kroax, murders Kaufman on the day when all Adelpha's moons come into eclipse (can't remember what they call it).

I like to think that this is why Kaufman set the prophecy of the Ulukai in motion (It's not clear if he created the prophecy, or that its just an earlier myth he co-opted). He didn't trust Xue and knew that he probably wouldn't survive to see the arrival of the probe. He also knew that Cutter would be arriving in the future, so set up the whole thing. It's why the Talan's are instructed to only help the 'Ulukai' if he is good. Kaufman only met Cutter once, and briefly before going through the portal to Adelpha, so he didn't have a good read on his character and if he might be just as bad as Xue.

Ultimately I think its safe to say that Kaufman was Kazar. As to why he told the Talan not to be violent toward Kroax and Fae Rahn, again its not clear, beyond that either Kaufman, or the Talan themselves, were pacifists, and that there is some degree truth to the Talan belief that their spirits suffer when they do violence (Talan beliefs about the spirit are perhaps more based on observable fact than our own, since they seem able to channel energy in various forms).

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Kaufman is Kazar, although the game only heavily suggests it rather than flat out saying it.
Tosh Dec 4, 2017 @ 8:24pm 
MORE SPOILERS ahead :)

Kaufman is Kazar, I don't think there can be much doubt about that. I am pretty sure when Zokrym gives the Holo-recording to Cutter he says it's "the words of Kazar". Correct me if I am wrong.

Kaufman discouraged violence not just against Far Rahn and Kroax but in general because that's the talan culture he found when he first arrived on Adelpha (as I understand the story Kaufman arrived first. It took years before Xue arrived and a few more years before Cutter and Marrion arrive). So basically Kaufman didn't create the non-violence culture, he just wanted to preserve it.

Make sure you talk to Mogi in Talanzaar, he has one of the few stories that shed more light on what happened between Kaufman and Xue.
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Shellshock Dec 5, 2017 @ 11:48am 
Thanks for your replies, I appreciate it! :)
DrBunsen Dec 8, 2017 @ 5:50am 
Personally I think the involvement of Xu and Kaufman is a big part of the game's magic. The Talans can only speak the 'high language' because Kaufman taught them to do so. Sure Kaufman is Kazar, as said (Kazar's words in end cutscene). Their struggle in the intro is kind of setting this story twist into motion, and it becomes pretty obvious after finding the first mon (cutscene).
Great story telling!
twonha Dec 11, 2017 @ 2:44pm 
Part of the magic of Outcast, is that you have to figure out this entire world. Its citizens, their buildings, their culture, their history. Kauffman being Kazar is something you have to figure out for yourself, just like how you have to put the pieces together about the Shamazaar temples, or the rock mining song. Kazar being a higher being, a prophet, the holorecording, they're all hints on something the Talan could never outright tell you themselves.

I think this is one of many reasons why Outcast is so special: it really did everything it could to draw the player into the world completely.
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hp Dec 18, 2017 @ 1:50am 
There's also the cave under the waterfall in Okaar, and a cargo pod in the water nearby.
twonha Dec 18, 2017 @ 12:54pm 
hp: the pod was always there. The cave underneath the waterfall, presumably Kazar/Kauffman's hideout on Adelpha, was a nice touch I thought!
Tosh Dec 18, 2017 @ 11:41pm 
I loved the cave underneath the waterfall, it made SC absolutely worth it for me :)
My own interpretation of the location was not as Kauffman's hideout though. I took as a sign that humans have been on Adepha before Cutter (in Adelphian timeline) and that maybe they are "the ancients".
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