The Last Night

The Last Night

786543 Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:19am
Why is this game getting so much hate?
Neogaf and SomethingAwful hate this game and its creator for some reason. Can somebody tell me why? The trailer looks gorgeous and it looks like the original game jam version of the game won a bunch of awards or something.
Originally posted by DisableBore:
Reading this thread made me remember that Neogaf died and I am happy now.
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_aguacate Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:21am 
the author held some views about gamergate three years ago and now people are arguing about wether he hates women and socialism.
celeciafirestorm Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:33am 
I've seen some screenshots of the author saying that they supported honesty and transparency in games journalism and dislikes the way modern feminism is being misused. Apparently that makes him some sort of evil misogynist that needs to be stopped at all costs. So far I haven't seen anywhere that he was actually mean or hateful so... idk, seems really crazy to me.
Yosharian Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:35am 
LMAO he doesn't hate women and socialism

NOTHING he said even remotely resembles that statement
celeciafirestorm Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:38am 
The other creators did a twitlonger throwing people who supoprted gamergate under the bus.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spupkj
_aguacate Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:42am 
Originally posted by celeciafirestorm:
The other creators did a twitlonger throwing people who supoprted gamergate under the bus.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spupkj

this isn't the "other creators", this is the publisher. and before anyone starts yelling and screaming about being "thrown under the bus" please read the article. it's so far from damning gamers.
786543 Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:45am 
Originally posted by celeciafirestorm:
The other creators did a twitlonger throwing people who supoprted gamergate under the bus.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spupkj

That groveling leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Don't really care about the devs politics when buying games but behavior like that is very shameful.
celeciafirestorm Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:48am 
I read the article. That's why I am upset. It sums up to, "Oh no, he was just stupid back then. He's changed, I swear." It's incredibly insulting.
_aguacate Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:51am 
it's a company that has a financial stake in the game. chances are if he was publishing it by himself he'd be able to talk for himself but that's not the way the world works, unfortunately.
regardless, read his latest tweets if you care that much about all of this.

people saying that all of this is a marketing ploy might be onto something, but it's a shame that it works so well.
Yosharian Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:54am 
Originally posted by celeciafirestorm:
I read the article. That's why I am upset. It sums up to, "Oh no, he was just stupid back then. He's changed, I swear." It's incredibly insulting.
"It's so insulting when people have different opinions to my own!"

Have you put Rimworld on the blacklist too? Because the developer of that game just supported Tim publically on Twitter. I guess that's another excellent game you won't be buying, huh?
Last edited by Yosharian; Jun 12, 2017 @ 2:54am
786543 Jun 12, 2017 @ 3:11am 
Originally posted by Yosharian:
Have you put Rimworld on the blacklist too? Because the developer of that game just supported Tim publically on Twitter. I guess that's another excellent game you won't be buying, huh?

Dunno about the other guy but I could care less about a devs views or the views of a chicken-sandwich restaurant. It's all about the final product.

However, I do avoid giving money to companies that are openly crazy. Threatening somebody you're working with over some silly opinion on some ancient drama kinda falls into that category.
Yosharian Jun 12, 2017 @ 3:16am 
Originally posted by Neko Koneco:
Originally posted by Yosharian:
Have you put Rimworld on the blacklist too? Because the developer of that game just supported Tim publically on Twitter. I guess that's another excellent game you won't be buying, huh?

However, I do avoid giving money to companies that are openly crazy. Threatening somebody you're working with over some silly opinion on some ancient drama kinda falls into that category.

Not sure what you're referring to here
WereChicken Jun 12, 2017 @ 4:46am 
This is why I'm incredibly happy to never have had a twitter account. Most of the people who use it regularly are awful people.

If the game looks good to you then that's all that matters. Something Awful and Neogaf are both toilets and should never be used as a way of gauging if something is good or not.
sad dragon Jun 12, 2017 @ 5:02am 
the publisher's views on feminism or gamergate aside, i think you're all forgetting an important fact: the game's premise is built on a complete misunderstanding of universal basic income. cyberpunk as originally created was built on the concept of critique of runaway corporatism and inequality in the context of high tech societies (given that cyberpunk's heyday was in the 80s, following the groundbreaking 1979 film 'alien' with its portrayal of corporate indifference and greed, it's not a surprise.)

cyberpunk as a genre has gotten fairly removed from its early, radicalized roots in the name of looting the aesthetic futurism, but there has always been a countercultural undercurrent to it. even watch_dogs, which is not much more than a techno-thriller, paid tribute to this radicalism in the hacker collective dedsec, working against a sinister panopticon with the power to manipulate whole societies.

with that in mind, it's easy to see why a "cyberpunk" game that says the universal basic income is bad comes off as tone deaf at best, utterly missing the ♥♥♥♥ing point of cyberpunk at worst.
WereChicken Jun 12, 2017 @ 5:07am 
Actually the premise of the game is machines replacing most jobs and creative outlets. Universal basic income wouldn't solve those issues, it would just mean people don't riot when they can't afford thing like food and luxuries. The deeper social problems of no real outlet for personal fulfillment would still be very much present.

I should say I'm all in favor of basic universal income, but we have to address the societal problems that wide-spread AI automation will cause.

if 80-95% of your population can't get jobs and there isn't much point trying to be creative as AIs have that sown up then you will have very serious social consequences as people don't have ways of finding self actualization.
_aguacate Jun 12, 2017 @ 5:24am 
Originally posted by the only girl on craigslist:
the publisher's views on feminism or gamergate aside, i think you're all forgetting an important fact: the game's premise is built on a complete misunderstanding of universal basic income. cyberpunk as originally created was built on the concept of critique of runaway corporatism and inequality in the context of high tech societies (given that cyberpunk's heyday was in the 80s, following the groundbreaking 1979 film 'alien' with its portrayal of corporate indifference and greed, it's not a surprise.)

cyberpunk as a genre has gotten fairly removed from its early, radicalized roots in the name of looting the aesthetic futurism, but there has always been a countercultural undercurrent to it. even watch_dogs, which is not much more than a techno-thriller, paid tribute to this radicalism in the hacker collective dedsec, working against a sinister panopticon with the power to manipulate whole societies.

with that in mind, it's easy to see why a "cyberpunk" game that says the universal basic income is bad comes off as tone deaf at best, utterly missing the ♥♥♥♥ing point of cyberpunk at worst.

firstly, cyberpunk did not follow alien. cyberpunk has its roots in 60's and 70's new wave science fiction. you could argue the hippies had a cyberpunk undercurrent, that although they were anti-technology etc. the one thing that brought them together was an electric guitar.

i want to reiterate, cyberpunk has never had a manifesto. it wasn't "created" per se, it was developed by a lot of different authors exploring a lot of different things.

universal basic income isn't a tenet of cyberpunk, it never has been. i still can't understand where this arguement has come from, let alone why we're even talking about it. the game uses it for narrative purposes, and i seriously doubt the entire game is going to be one giant critique of UBI.
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