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ハイイロギツネ 2018 年 2 月 2 日 上午 10:25
Final Fantasy XII vs X
Which is the better game in your opinion and why?
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引用自 Gryphonheart:
XII. The whole plot is much better, well made and mature. The characters arent as strong as the most iconic ones in X but the whole setting makes up for it. The Espers (Lucavi) based on each zodiac sign and the world of ivalice as a whole.

As stated above, the game is easily one of the longest FF up to date. There is simply a ton to do: hunts, exploration, grinding for items and bestiary (plus sage knowledge), and the bazaar system was something interesting to keep you fighting and getting into new zones, chaining your kills fore spoils.

The combat system is one of my favorites in FF series. Each weapon has its own traits and advantages over others, so there is plenty of ways to play your characters. Now, with the job system, the zodiac job choice actually matters and shapes your character entirely. Some people still prefer the freedom from the first PS2 release which allowed any character to use any weapon, magic, etc. but it was kinda cheap and a fast way to make the game boring due to how overpowered all characters could be by beelining towards the most important traits, like Hastega, for instance.

If anything bad comes to mind I'd say its the lack of challenge at times and the gambit system that can make the game a cakewalk duing some battles, basically, but I turn it off to have a proper challenge every battle. You can think of it a s a programming minigame where you can select actions priorities for your characters if you dont want to give them orders every turn.

The OST is another one of FFXII's strongest points imo, but also one of the weak for some. The music is just beautiful and has a lot of power (though it can be quite repetitive - a flaw i find in most of Sakimoto's compositions) but since every track has the same ammount of punch into it -since every one of it is quite good- its hard to note outstanding ones, and it gets repetitive if you stay for too long in the same areas.
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Inssengrimm 2018 年 2 月 3 日 下午 11:03 
引用自 ZeForgotten：
While I do like everything about FFX my love for the main story in the original Star Wars trilogy puts FFXII above X for me since, well, FFX is basically Star Wars.

But it really isnt...?

Those ign comparisons early on on their review where so hurtful to this game image. The only similarities, and those are expresedly stated by designer, were visual.

Any attemp to compare storylines and characters is just... Silly.

Saying for example, that Balthier is like Han Solo or Fran like Chewy (lolwut) is just... Flamatory bad reviewing, that for some reason, i guess the nerd cult arround SW, stuck.

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Ze 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 12:39 
引用自 Alexander Dragonfang：
引用自 ZeForgotten：
While I do like everything about FFX my love for the main story in the original Star Wars trilogy puts FFXII above X for me since, well, FFX is basically Star Wars.

But it really isnt...?

Those ign comparisons early on on their review where so hurtful to this game image. The only similarities, and those are expresedly stated by designer, were visual.

Any attemp to compare storylines and characters is just... Silly.

Saying for example, that Balthier is like Han Solo or Fran like Chewy (lolwut) is just... Flamatory bad reviewing, that for some reason, i guess the nerd cult arround SW, stuck.

What IGN comparisons? I'm just basing it on the story stuff that happens that's identical o.O

Just because you think the comparisons are "silly" and were "hurtful"(lolwut, as you would say) doesn't mean you can't draw those comparisons pretty clearly
最後修改者：Ze; 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 12:40
#47
Nemo, Forevermore 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 12:52 
X had some features and mechanics that just seem poorly designed.

Monster Arena was interesting endgame fights, but half the fun of RPGs, imho, is exploring the high level dungeons to get to those uber fights. Monster Arena didn't have that.

Quick Hit skill is just a bad addition to the game. You eventually just spam quick hit in endgame.

Loved the sphere grid over the license board, but everyone eventually becomes a copy of everyone else. Same problem in non-Zodiac Age FFXII though.

Wakka and Lulu, in FFX, irritate me. A blitzball weapon and a doll? Sigh.

FFX was very linear. I actually preferred FFIX over FFX for this very reason.

FFX's strong point, imo, was the story and that's really it. Well, maybe some extra credit for the sphere grid even though it seems generally pointless in end game.
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Ark 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 1:20 
FFX is one of the better FF games.
#49
ﾚﾌﾄ 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 1:22 
I don't remember 12 being good, only the Ivalice spinoffs.
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Nemo, Forevermore 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 1:28 
引用自 ﾚﾌﾄ：
I don't remember 12 being good, only the Ivalice spinoffs.

XII was easily my favorite, with IX coming in at second place and IV coming in third.

I should give some credit to the original, but I haven't played that since the early 1990s.
最後修改者：Nemo, Forevermore; 2018 年 2 月 4 日 上午 1:29
#51
Viperveteran 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 8:52 
I am not alone in my dislike for blitzball I see. That is the main thing keeping me away from repurchasing it on PC. The other main thing that makes me not want to replay FFX is the random encounters. FFXII has spoiled me to the point where the only games I accept random encounters is pokemon games and old jrpgs. Chrono trigger was one of my favourites and it didn't have random encounters in it either.

I did like FFX but I can't be bothered to do the whole blitzball and jumping through hoops for ultimate weapons.
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Slippery When Dead 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:02 
引用自 Viperveteran：
I am not alone in my dislike for blitzball I see. That is the main thing keeping me away from repurchasing it on PC. The other main thing that makes me not want to replay FFX is the random encounters. FFXII has spoiled me to the point where the only games I accept random encounters is pokemon games and old jrpgs. Chrono trigger was one of my favourites and it didn't have random encounters in it either.

I did like FFX but I can't be bothered to do the whole blitzball and jumping through hoops for ultimate weapons.
Right? Although the FF series are known for brutal grinding for being able to beat various optional bosses, i can't remember another FF in which we had to do THAT annoying things for it like in FFX.

This chocobo race... :steamfacepalm: The whole blitzball thingy... :steamsad: and i haven't ever done that lightning-dodge-crap.

Blitzball was at least a little less annoying, since i replaced the whole Besaid team (including Tidus). Was more like a Blitzball-Manager game xD
最後修改者：Slippery When Dead; 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:02
#53
kurosov 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:03 
I've played FFX many times. This is only my second playthrough of FFXII as my disc vanished after the first play and it was around a time where i played less games so i can't really say.

I'm enjoying how this feels fresh because I've only played it once but i'll probably end up playing FFX through again because i've always been a big fan of it.

FFXs world setting was one of the most interesting non-traditional fantasy settings in gaming while FFXII is a traditional structure blending with a less common setting. Sure we have deserts and bazaars but it's still a story about knights, kings and magic artefacts. FFIX was a better traditional fantasy game.
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Mikasa Ackerman 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:57 
引用自 Viperveteran：
I am not alone in my dislike for blitzball I see. That is the main thing keeping me away from repurchasing it on PC. The other main thing that makes me not want to replay FFX is the random encounters. FFXII has spoiled me to the point where the only games I accept random encounters is pokemon games and old jrpgs. Chrono trigger was one of my favourites and it didn't have random encounters in it either.

I did like FFX but I can't be bothered to do the whole blitzball and jumping through hoops for ultimate weapons.

blitzball has tons of RNG , you basically are required to get high level free Agents and brother if you want to have a chance

but otherwhise the PC version of X is great you can turn off random encounters , can speed up the game , always have full health and overdrive ( so basically you level with 4 times normal speed for 15 Minutes and get the s.level you would get in an hour

also theres mods and tools on PC you can just cheat all items like the crests
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Nemo, Forevermore 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 10:48 
引用自 Viperveteran：
I am not alone in my dislike for blitzball I see. That is the main thing keeping me away from repurchasing it on PC. The other main thing that makes me not want to replay FFX is the random encounters. FFXII has spoiled me to the point where the only games I accept random encounters is pokemon games and old jrpgs. Chrono trigger was one of my favourites and it didn't have random encounters in it either.

I did like FFX but I can't be bothered to do the whole blitzball and jumping through hoops for ultimate weapons.

Are you saying you don't want to dodge lightning 200 times? Such audacity!
#56
Killance 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 10:50 
引用自 Ark：
FFX is one of the better FF games.
It’s just as linear as FF13. You literally walk down a straight line for the majority of the game.
#57
Inssengrimm 2018 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:00 
引用自 Killance：
引用自 Ark：
FFX is one of the better FF games.
It’s just as linear as FF13. You literally walk down a straight line for the majority of the game.

Yes, but in FFX there are important details and NPCs that feed you up world building and make it a far more enjoyable corridor than FFXIII, where all the world building is in a menu, which equals to read wikis for world building and is done horribly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMZMJDFe1kc
#58
Killance 2018 年 2 月 6 日 下午 12:16 
引用自 Alexander Dragonfang：
引用自 Killance：
It’s just as linear as FF13. You literally walk down a straight line for the majority of the game.

Yes, but in FFX there are important details and NPCs that feed you up world building and make it a far more enjoyable corridor than FFXIII, where all the world building is in a menu, which equals to read wikis for world building and is done horribly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMZMJDFe1kc
I’ll admit that ff10 had far more npc’s on the linear gameplay than ff13 did.
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Hatman 2018 年 2 月 6 日 下午 12:38 
I like FFX, own it in several versions and replay it every few years.
I also think it's one of the worst FF titles.

It has good characters, really most of them are lovable.

But it was the first FF game (at the time) not only to ditch free world roaming but going the extra mile and sending you on a road movie paper chase for the complete first half (or more) of the game. It's basicly watching Frodo and Sam walk to Mt. Doom. You only endure those parts of the movie because you know the good parts come between, unlike in FFX.

In retrospective the game is much better than it was perceived by FF fans at launch but this linear design took away a huge chunk of what people considered an "FF" game at the time. And for oldies like me, that feeling stuck.

The story is ok but not as good as people make it out. It's saved (again) by the characters.
Oh and the Mini-Games where annoying, Blitzball especially. Great potential, poor implementation. Somewhat more enjoyable in the remake where you can actually make out the map. Try it on an a PS2 with a 90s TV. That was just painfull. Would take a round of Tetra Master over Blitz every time.

Needles to say but i prefer FFXII.
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