Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

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Dark Wombat Jan 5, 2018 @ 11:37pm
Best races for Mortal Empires Single player
I only have 22 hours on Warhammer I and just bought Warhammer II. I want to play quite a bit more of Warhammer I before I dive into Warhammer II. I would, with your help, like to put together somewhat of a schedule.

I would like your opinion based on diffciulty and current balance. Please keep in mind I am new to the Total War series so by difficulty I mean a bit...easier. I do own Chaos, Norsca, Beastmen and Wood Elves.

Obviously Norsca because it is not available in Warhammer II. What other races would be good to play in the original Warhammer I and not Mortal Empires?

I did some research and if I want to split my playtime between the two games how does this look?

Warhammer I

Empire
Bretonnia
Norsca
Chaos
Greenskins
Beastmen
Vampire Counts


Warhammer II

High Elves
Dark Elves
Skaven
Lizardmen
Wood Elves
Dwarves
Last edited by Dark Wombat; Jan 5, 2018 @ 11:55pm
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burningmime Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:03am 
Just move to Mortal Empires; it includes the full WH1 map plus the gameplay and interface improvements of WH2. If you play Empire/Dwarf/Vampires, you'll probably not encounter any of the Warhammer 2 races for 150+ turns. But all of the following applies to both games:

Dwarfs are by far the easiest faction. Lots of ways to make money, and their combat is very simple (albeit a bit boring), since you can play very defensive. Also, you're incredibly favored in auto-resolve, to the point where auto-resolving will give you better results than actually playing the battles.

Empire isn't nearly as easy as Dwarfs, but gives you a lot of options for how you want to play, and isn't very complex. It's a great "learning" faction. Also, I find them much more fun than dwarfs.

Vampire Counts are awesome, but require a bit different of a playstyle. You'll use a lot of expendable troops (because raise dead is so easy), and rely more on magic in battle. Good micro is also a must. They're quite strong balance-wise, and all around very fun.

Beastmen and Chaos are horde factions so they play differently. Both have fairly simple mechanics. Also, everyone hates you, so you will get very little in the way of diplomacy. I've heard Beastmen are rather difficult, but don't own the DLC myself. Chaos are pretty easy, but IMO *incredibly* boring.

Orcs and Brettonia are in a bad palce balance-wise. Brettonia also requires a crapload of micro and has some tricky campaign mechanics. Orcs are fairly simple all around, but the Waagh AI is annoying. Orc combat is very much about surrounding and overwhelming opponents with sheer numbers. It'll be challenge with either of these factions.

Wood elves have a rocky start and an incredibly easy endgame. Their mechanics are a bit strange, and in battle depend quite a bit on micro. I would not reccomend them as a starter faction. Personally, I didn't find their campaign much fun at all, but many people love them. They're probably better on low difficulty (at least at the beginning). On Very Hard/Legendary, their first 50 turns are *very* slow and require a bunch of waiting.

I didn't get to play much Norsca before moving to WH2 (just in Quick Match), so I can't comment there. Supposedly, they're loads of fun with cool mechanics. They seem to play like orcs, except with more monsters -- you can definitely go with huge hordes of troops and win with numbers.

Personal recommendation for you: just skip to TWW2 Mortal Empires for the upgrades. Do a run with Empire first to get used to the game mechanics and explore. After that, just play whatever looks like fun.

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If you're doing WH2 instead of WH1, be sure to grab the "community bugfix mod" if you plan on playing on easy. Because of a huge rooster-up by CA, battles are hard on easy, easy on hard, and normal on normal/very hard/legendary. So "easy" mode has the easiest campaign and the hardest battles, unless you have the mod:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1234481316

(don't need the mod if you're using SFO or Radious).

Really, I'd reccomend doing Normal instead of Easy; it's a better teaching experience.
Last edited by burningmime; Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:10am
Shandor Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:03am 
I think the most easy Faction in Warhammer 1 as well as Mortal Empires are Woodelves(Durthu).
They got Superior Cav, good Lords and Heroes and some of the best Tanky Units.
They can boost Diplomancy with every Faction exept Chaos Factions and are immune to Attrition.
That all together with almost unlimited Money makes them super Easy.

VC Would take place 2 on both.

3. Dwarves in WH 1
3. Highelves WH2

4. Bretonia WH1
4. Lizardman WH2 (Kroq'gar)

The rest depends on several things. Like Beastman. They have a hard Early Game but a easy late game. Empire depends on the stuff that happens around you. If you get the other Human Factions to join you early and how the Dwarves handle the VC and such.
Last edited by Shandor; Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:05am
Kaaz Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:11am 
Lord Skrolk number 1! ^^
burningmime Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:21am 
Looking at your edit:

Originally posted by Dark Wombat:
I did some research and if I want to split my playtime between the two games how does this look?

Warhammer I

Empire
Bretonnia
Norsca
Chaos
Greenskins
Beastmen
Vampire Counts


Warhammer II

High Elves
Dark Elves
Skaven
Lizardmen
Wood Elves
Dwarves

Brettonia are hard as balls right now. They are quite weak balance-wise. They require a bunch of micro since their strongest units need cycle charging, and their cavalrey *still* isn't as good as empire cavalry. On the campaign map, you have to deal with peasant economy, which means recruitment or money issues in the early game. Plus, chivalry (you're like supposed to be a good guy).

I'm not saying not to play them -- they're certainly a good way to teach yourself cav micro if you want to play Quick Match online -- but they're definitely not noob-friendly, so you'll be jumping into the deep end.
Dark Wombat Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:26am 
Originally posted by burningmime:
Looking at your edit:

Originally posted by Dark Wombat:
I did some research and if I want to split my playtime between the two games how does this look?

Warhammer I

Empire
Bretonnia
Norsca
Chaos
Greenskins
Beastmen
Vampire Counts


Warhammer II

High Elves
Dark Elves
Skaven
Lizardmen
Wood Elves
Dwarves

Brettonia are hard as balls right now. They are quite weak balance-wise. They require a bunch of micro since their strongest units need cycle charging, and their cavalrey *still* isn't as good as empire cavalry. On the campaign map, you have to deal with peasant economy, which means recruitment or money issues in the early game. Plus, chivalry (you're like supposed to be a good guy).

I'm not saying not to play them -- they're certainly a good way to teach yourself cav micro if you want to play Quick Match online -- but they're definitely not noob-friendly, so you'll be jumping into the deep end.

Because of this then they are correctly placed as a Warhammer I campaign right? When you said hard, you meant for Warhammer II? IN other words, if I really wanted to play them, play them in Warhammer I?
Originally posted by burningmime:
Looking at your edit:

Originally posted by Dark Wombat:
I did some research and if I want to split my playtime between the two games how does this look?

Warhammer I

Empire
Bretonnia
Norsca
Chaos
Greenskins
Beastmen
Vampire Counts


Warhammer II

High Elves
Dark Elves
Skaven
Lizardmen
Wood Elves
Dwarves

Brettonia are hard as balls right now. They are quite weak balance-wise. They require a bunch of micro since their strongest units need cycle charging, and their cavalrey *still* isn't as good as empire cavalry. On the campaign map, you have to deal with peasant economy, which means recruitment or money issues in the early game. Plus, chivalry (you're like supposed to be a good guy).

I'm not saying not to play them -- they're certainly a good way to teach yourself cav micro if you want to play Quick Match online -- but they're definitely not noob-friendly, so you'll be jumping into the deep end.

Its funny because the Bretonnian army comp can easily be summed up as 16-17 Grail Knights, 2-3 Trebuchets, and of course 1 lord.
burningmime Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:35am 
Originally posted by Dark Wombat:
Because of this then they are correctly placed as a Warhammer I campaign right? When you said hard, you meant for Warhammer II? IN other words, if I really wanted to play them, play them in Warhammer I?

Both campaigns are challenging for them. But really, just play whatever looks fun to you.

Originally posted by RED Floyd /(Weber)\:
Its funny because the Bretonnian army comp can easily be summed up as 16-17 Grail Knights, 2-3 Trebuchets, and of course 1 lord.

By the time you can afford that, you're way past the hard part of the game.
bender76john Jan 6, 2018 @ 12:36am 
if you choose to go sfo i would try the night goblins 1 warboss 1 big boss 8 units of fanatis to tie up thair front line 4 units of archers w fantacis to to get thair 2nd row and 6 units of wolf or spider riders to hit them in the rear also you start with vanguard deployment for the whole army
Ashantai Jan 6, 2018 @ 1:10am 
I've played and finished (on normal) 3 mortal empire campaigns now; dwarves, Empire and Vampires.

All are easy after the initial 10 turns if you play your cards right, again, on normal.

For a beginner dwarves are the easiest, but Vlad is a very good opposite playstyle if you like to attack and use magic. Empire is tricky at the start, but is a 'vanilla' faction.

High Elves are fun too.
Originally posted by burningmime:
Originally posted by Dark Wombat:
Because of this then they are correctly placed as a Warhammer I campaign right? When you said hard, you meant for Warhammer II? IN other words, if I really wanted to play them, play them in Warhammer I?

Both campaigns are challenging for them. But really, just play whatever looks fun to you.

Originally posted by RED Floyd /(Weber)\:
Its funny because the Bretonnian army comp can easily be summed up as 16-17 Grail Knights, 2-3 Trebuchets, and of course 1 lord.

By the time you can afford that, you're way past the hard part of the game.

Ah thats true its been a while since I played Bretonnia I forgot that.
Dark Wombat Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:53pm 
Thanks everyone for your help. I guess I will stick with my list.
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