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[NXA] Pex Sep 8, 2017 @ 4:36pm
Message from Developers Regarding Art Changes
Check out the following statement from Eundo Chae, CEO of CWAVESOFT, the developer of Hyper Universe. Yes, it's regarding art changes. Feel free to respond in this thread. We will start to close some of the huge threads and direct comments here so we can keep things organized.

hyperuniverse.nexon.net/en/news/article/25193

We will be responding to your questions and comments here as well. I have some additional info from the NA team, but I'd like everyone to read Eundo's statement first.

As always, please keep the discussion civil.

Thanks.
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DestructionAdv Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:04pm 

Originally posted by NXA Pex:
Originally posted by DestructionAdv:
So now you're even backpedaling on that? Could you be any more dishonest?

My posting history will show that I've been very consistent. Player sentiment is one part of our decision. Our ability to market the game (and that includes ratings) is the other.
Except for when you said you had to change it as a ratings issue then went back on it in seconds. If there's anything you've been consistent about it's condescension and at least you've admitted that you don't care if it's the majority or not that wanted the censorship when you mentioned you didn't even know if they were the majority. Why even bring up an issue with the ratings when they literally won't be a problem if not to misdirect people who won't think it through or aren't familiar with ratings boards?
HowPlayGaem Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:04pm 
Regaring "local governments and review boards" "multiple regions where local laws and/or rating systems are in place and work to make the game as accessible as possible. ESRB/PEGI/USK ratings are things we have to consider as we expand. "

I dont understand how Hyper Universe needs to censor, meanwhile global juggernaut League of Legends has zero problems with its fanservice characters. Miss Fortune, Sona, Pool Party skins, etc.

Not just league of course, many games seemingly don't have these issues. Something isn't right here.
[NXA] Pex Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:06pm 
Originally posted by WatchGintama:
This is the person I wanted hear from but they still do not answer the important question I've asked to relay to him.

Before this message was posted, I had already lost hope for a toggle option. And now the CEO has not even said yes or no to the idea.

I will take silence as they are ignoring feedback the wanted from us, these concerns aren't properly being conveyed to him, or he is telling in-between lines that it is not a good idea by not acknowledging it.

I'm trying to answer as fast as I can, so I don't see every post right away. I see that you got an answer, and it is correct. We will not be adding a toggle. Why? Because to do so would negate the rationale and effects of making the changes in the first place.
[NXA] Pex Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:08pm 
Originally posted by OxNEOxO:
Can you show us what art work was changed? I'm interested in knowing what resulted to the changes that have been made. At least a screenshot of before and after would be nice.

I don't have a before/after on me, but there are some articles online that show the changes. I'm sure someone will be happy to post some links.
Stray Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:09pm 
Essentially the NA branch was being so bombarded by the backlash they needed to call the KO devs and ask them to make them look good in the community spotlight, but there's still no resolution, let alone a compromise. This is just a long winded "we're still not changing it." Fair enough, but dont expect people to support their game and the censorship you're putting across it. It feels so hardheaded to keep ignoring your fanbase like this to drive them to pure resentment and let your game fail over such a ridiculous issue. The imaginary people you're censoring this for will not be buying your game. The people who have genuine interest and the passion to literally beg for you to leave the original conception of the game alone will. Keep dragging your heels in the mud though, hopefully your division isn't axed for such a deliberately bone-headed move and you can learn from this mistake with whoever contracts you next time.:steamsad:
Shylaar Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:09pm 
Originally posted by NXA Pex:
We will not be adding a toggle. Why? Because to do so would negate the rationale and effects of making the changes in the first place.
Then I guess I won't be having anything to do with this game, end of story. There is nothing about the changes that would impact ratings. You simply pushed for changes out of a misguided sense of moral justice and now need desperately to justify them, and this is where we've ended up as a result. Of course it doesn't help that Raziel explicitly stated right at the start that this was never a ratings issue, but never let consistency get in the way of a good excuse, eh?
Edit: I can't find the post where Raziel said that right now, but I'm quite sure it was said.
Last edited by Shylaar; Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:12pm
OxNEOxO Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:18pm 
Originally posted by NXA Pex:
Originally posted by OxNEOxO:
Can you show us what art work was changed? I'm interested in knowing what resulted to the changes that have been made. At least a screenshot of before and after would be nice.

I don't have a before/after on me, but there are some articles online that show the changes. I'm sure someone will be happy to post some links.
Never mind! I found it right when you posted lol. It seem stupid that such a little change of the games artwork and characters is making some players upset... I mean its not even a bad change! Good job on doing so, rather have more players playing the game then to have less due to some "art style" that doesn't appeal everyone.
TombMonkey Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:19pm 
We are on the internet age, let CwaveSoft know what you think directly, they have a contact email on their website.
[NXA] Pex Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by HowPlayGaem:
Regaring "local governments and review boards" "multiple regions where local laws and/or rating systems are in place and work to make the game as accessible as possible. ESRB/PEGI/USK ratings are things we have to consider as we expand. "

I dont understand how Hyper Universe needs to censor, meanwhile global juggernaut League of Legends has zero problems with its fanservice characters. Miss Fortune, Sona, Pool Party skins, etc.

Not just league of course, many games seemingly don't have these issues. Something isn't right here.

As mentioned, ratings are just one factor that formed our decision. As for the examples you mentioned, some of those titles have been through their own censorship battles with their communities.

HU still has sexy characters, it's just toned down a little. Some of the comments (not yours HowPlayGaem) really try to paint the changes as total reworks, when that isn't the case.
MDB Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:21pm 
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/08/hyper-universe-females-get-censored-uncensored-mods-surface/38432/ these are examples the in game models truly don't have anything that you will notice unless you zoom all the way in while playing you will see the slight adjustments they made you can take this from me who plays this game all the time this is my 2nd account if you're wondering why I have no profile or anything XD. Anyways I feel this whole thing is being blown out of proportion and I do not appreciate how you guys act like the these devs and cm's are "lying" when they are repeatin the same thing in different ways so you guys can understand when they have already explained it. If everyone takes the time to look into the censored characters you will notice that there is no big issue unless you are just mad about the fact that they slightly changed characters.
Last edited by MDB; Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:25pm
Shylaar Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:22pm 
Originally posted by NXA Pex:
As mentioned, ratings are just one factor that formed our decision.
The problem here is that none of your factors are worth a damn. Every single one is flimsy at best.
HU still has sexy characters, it's just toned down a little. Some of the comments (not yours HowPlayGaem) really try to paint the changes as total reworks, when that isn't the case.
Stop parroting this nonsense as though it means anything. We don't give a damn that it's "just a little", we give a damn that it's "at all".
Last edited by Shylaar; Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:22pm
Focus Spire Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:28pm 
So the crux of it is this: "We deemed that some of the artwork that is currently causing so much discussion was creating a hurdle for certain players, who find that type of artwork uncomfortable, stopping them from playing Hyper Universe for the first time. In other words, the art in question was harming the game’s accessibility."

I think it's fitting that this was phrased in the past tense, because as many people have pointed out, there are currently no players who have praised the changes, expressed gratitude for them, or said they wouldn't have played without them.

So even if they came to that conclusion in the past...it's in the past, and none of that is an issue any longer. Things have changed, and Nexon / Cwavesoft will need to adapt to the changes.
MDB Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:28pm 
Originally posted by Cerzel:
Originally posted by NXA Pex:
As mentioned, ratings are just one factor that formed our decision.
The problem here is that none of your factors are worth a damn. Every single one is flimsy at best.
HU still has sexy characters, it's just toned down a little. Some of the comments (not yours HowPlayGaem) really try to paint the changes as total reworks, when that isn't the case.
Stop parroting this nonsense as though it means anything. We don't give a damn that it's "just a little", we give a damn that it's "at all".
At this point you are just being petty and it's not because the choice they made was wrong it's because they made a slight change. If thats how you want to be it's fine but to bash them for " making a change at all" is very sad. People have been claiming to have not been answered and saying the community is being ignored but thats far from true the people from alpha cbt and even EA are not being ignored we are constantly in contact with the devs it just seems like all of you who DO NOT actually support the game are against each others views.
Stray Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:30pm 
Originally posted by OxNEOxO:
Originally posted by NXA Pex:

I don't have a before/after on me, but there are some articles online that show the changes. I'm sure someone will be happy to post some links.
Never mind! I found it right when you posted lol. It seem stupid that such a little change of the games artwork and characters is making some players upset... I mean its not even a bad change! Good job on doing so, rather have more players playing the game then to have less due to some "art style" that doesn't appeal everyone.


Originally posted by MDB:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/854977642902486474/881FED7E916FBF4BE9023A571087C6F30133DBF7/ these are examples the in game models truly don't have anything that you will notice unless you zoom all the way in while playing you will see the slight adjustments they made you can take this from me who plays this game all the time this is my 2nd account if you're wondering why I have no profile or anything XD. Anyways I feel this whole thing is being blown out of proportion and I do not appreciate how you guys act like the these devs and cm's are "lying" when they are repeatin the same thing in different ways so you guys can understand when they have already explained it. If everyone takes the time to look into the censored characters you will notice that there is no big issue unless you are just mad about the fact that they slightly changed characters.

Jesus christ, these two couldn't be any more transparent. I guess I'll take the bait. Censorship begins on minor levels to small things and will be overlooked by people like you saying, "it's not a big deal! You guys are whining over nothing!! LOLXD!" Then something else is removed gradually until one day it's something you care about that's removed. The community sniffed this one out immediately and when they asked the devs to leave the game as is, they continually drag their knuckles and tell us they know what we want more than we do and say "Aw shucks, our bad. We wont change it back, but we've taken note that you're upset and keep it in mind." And pulled this pathetic move where they needed the Korean devs to try and calm us down, which obviously didn't work. You aren't getting an expansive playerbase by censoring, it's a bad thing. It literally shrinks the community. That's why the majority of this thread is people ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off instead of people saying "We understand. it's okay!"
Shylaar Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:34pm 
Originally posted by MDB:
At this point you are just being petty and it's not because the choice they made was wrong it's because they made a slight change.
Making the change at all was wrong. I don't give a damn if it's "slight" or not. Censoring an artist's work because someone might be offended by it is utterly despicable. There is no excusing that in the first place, and there's certainly no excusing their complete refusal to restore it despite overwhelming feedback from the community.
People have been claiming to have not been answered and saying the community is being ignored but thats far from true the people from alpha cbt and even EA are not being ignored we are constantly in contact with the devs
Ok, but I've been taking issue with the responses given.
it just seems like all of you who DO NOT actually support the game are against each others views.
Of course I don't support the game. Why the hell would I, when they're censoring it, and I'm fundamentally opposed to that, even before their absolutely asinine reasons for doing so? Never mind that as has been said there has been nary a peep from anyone at all actually praising the censorship, just a whole lot of negativity and a few "well it doesn't bother me that much" as the only counterpoints on offer.
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Date Posted: Sep 8, 2017 @ 4:36pm
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