Need some help with Rathalos

[cees09]

I'm trying to do an optional quest (swoop to a new low) in MR 3, I dont know since when Rathalos has been complicated... Brachydios didn't gave me so much trouble :c but this rathalos besides keeping running so much thru the map, is taking so long to defeat even with 4 people joined. I think I'm doing some decent damage (17-25 per arrow)

if someone can help me farm Rathalos for 3 or 4 quest

[Smaugi]

Автор сообщения: Fun

Автор сообщения: The High Seraph

I’ve played with bow 7300+ hunts and lemme tell you . Bow is one of the worst weapon in Master Rank Progression .

Major reason is that bow no longer access to critical element until you get Velkhana pieces .

If you are fighting Rathalos just because it gave critical element in high rank , you better stop here . Master Rank Rathalos no longer give you 2 piece critical element but instead give you 3 piece minds eye effect which is crap for your build .

So if you still want critical element before Velkhana , you have two choices
- 2 piece of HR Rathalos armor with 3 MR armor . Good luck surviving ranged weapon type with high rank pieces .
- Kjarr ( High Rank ) bows with MR armors . Good luck dealing enough damage to MR monsters with High rank weapon .

I soloed extreme behemoth with bow before iceborne was released in PC . But bow story progression in MR simply forced me to play with Long Sword until I get Velkhana pieces .

So my suggestion is play other weapon preferably blade master weapon until you “kill” Velkhana . Not repel quest .

17-25 is low in MR standard even for story progression builds . This may be due to
- Not tenderizing hizones
- Not shooting the head
- Not having crit elememt
- Not having spread shot / normal shot
- Not dealing crit damage .
- Not using dragon weapon.
- Not being a final charge shot which is locked behind the skill called “Bow charge Plus”

You should at least deal 45-50 in story progression .

Absolutely correct, i told him about tenderizing and stuff which he didnt know at the time. It's understandable since he just bought the expansion, hopefully he learns how to use the claw as a whole.

Also cees, dragonpiercer is terrible, never use it.

Is dragonpiercer really that bad?
I mean with frostcraft vs something like shara it seems somewhat fun

[Ember]

Автор сообщения: Lord Gwyn

Автор сообщения: Fun

Absolutely correct, i told him about tenderizing and stuff which he didnt know at the time. It's understandable since he just bought the expansion, hopefully he learns how to use the claw as a whole.

Also cees, dragonpiercer is terrible, never use it.

Is dragonpiercer really that bad?
I mean with frostcraft vs something like shara it seems somewhat fun

Only with builds like the one you mentioned, but outside of that, absolutely terrible. The time it takes for you to even use it, i could've done 2 quick shots + spread combos.

[Zeshald the Betrayed]

Bow Lunging Melee Attack is Meta.

[Ember]

Автор сообщения: Zeshald

Bow Lunging Melee Attack is Meta.

🤢🤢

[Mr. September]

There are 3 viable moves that let you deal actual damage for Bow lol.

One is Charged Shot, the other is Spread Shot and the last is Thousand Dragons.

Rest of the moves practically don't exist.

[Chillhausen]

yo mate! we have a little group of dedicated monster hunters on our discord. want to join us? we are all over the place level-wise but anybody will gladly help you out @cees09

[Mini]

My only advice for Rath is to pack some flash pods and break his damn wings. That should keep him from just sitting in the air constantly.

[Bum]

Автор сообщения: Fun

Not really optimal for general play.

Either for speedruns or specific matchups, which i doubt he is going to try for now.

nah i use this for casual playstyle too, it's perfectly viable but makes the game too easy the dmg output is just too insane. Most of the mobs just get staggered all the time. You always have a mushroom wall or something to jump from. The only con of this playstyle is that it's not feasible online because everyone shares the aggro. But when solo you can almost always find a way to use this technique.

[Ember]

Автор сообщения: Bum

Автор сообщения: Fun

Not really optimal for general play.

Either for speedruns or specific matchups, which i doubt he is going to try for now.

nah i use this for casual playstyle too, it's perfectly viable but makes the game too easy the dmg output is just too insane. Most of the mobs just get staggered all the time. You always have a mushroom wall or something to jump from. The only con of this playstyle is that it's not feasible online because everyone shares the aggro. But when solo you can almost always find a way to use this technique.

Good luck trying that out on some of the endgame fights in iceborne, plus this seems boring as hell too.

I'm certain he's gonna have way more fun in the game using bow actual moveset.

[cees09]

Ok so after reading all the comments... here's the thing I came from Rise, so I was trying first to apply the sets I use there... I guess they don't work here.

Автор сообщения: Zeshald

Автор сообщения: The High Seraph

17-25 is low in MR standard even for story progression builds . This may be due to
- Not tenderizing hizones
- Not shooting the head
- Not having crit elememt
- Not having spread shot / normal shot
- Not dealing crit damage .
- Not using dragon weapon.
- Not being a final charge shot which is locked behind the skill called “Bow charge Plus”

You should at least deal 45-50 in story progression .

This was very well written.
Bow has it the worst in MR progression.

I usually try to aim for the critical damage or where the bow can do more damage to the monster. Now for the critical element I really don't use it, since in Rise is not a must and I was trying to follow up this guide (world) and they don't use it either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1EGkqkTX14&t=143s
The only skills I don't have from those builds are bow charge plus, and the forceshot jewel and KO. I guess without those jewel the sets won't work(=?)

Now I'm curious about "- Not having spread shot / normal shot ". In Rise each bow has a description of level and the type of arrow (pierce, norma/rapid, spread) I don't see that here so I wasn't really sure if those spread/normal jewel were really helpful.

I had a previous set of using attack boost 5, critical eye 4, critical boost 1, exploit weak 2 or 3, But didn't feel anything different from what using from the video, except that now that I have constitution, stamina doesn't go down faster. So for world critical element is a must in elemental bows (different from Rise)?

As for the tenderize thing, FUN, explained me yesterday and I've been practicing on some low quest today to get used to it.

Having to learn another weapon, I don't mind... the thing is, I feel the bow is one of the most fun to use. I don't really like those slow weapons :/ (Great sword, charge axe...) I was thinking of switching to dual blades perhaps.

As for the build not really sure what to improve in there... these are the skills I have per element. i still don't have the fire set, but I was copying from that video , that's the reason for farming Rathalos in MR (thou I checked Rathalos armor in MR, and I don't see so many skills in there that could help me)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492615468
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492615390
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492615308
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[The High Seraph]

If you don’t have bow charge plus , you can meld mighty bow deco . Not sure they unlock or not at this point . But if you can’t meld this deco for whatever reason , Legiana 3 piece set bonus is also bow charge plus .

So If you want to get crit element before velkhana , I suggest you should use 2 piece of HR Rathalos with 3 MR Legiana pieces so you can get Crit element and Bow charge plus from set bonus alone . But I highly recommend you to slot 3 lvl of health boost at this point . Ranged weapon with 2 piece of high rank armor means monsters will one or two shot u .

Your build are not bad except dragon one . You have 4 or even more weakness exploit in ur build which is useless .