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Ghantauke Apr 25, 2013 @ 1:34pm
No one hears you. Your account has been flagged as disruptive and your communication privileges temporarily revoked. Time remaining: 24 hours, 48 hours, 126 hours
I was new to dota 2 so I didn't know you could get muted for saying something even remotely offensive to another player. So I got the first 24 hours mute.

Finally, when the mute was about to be lifted with a few hours remaining, it was increased for 48 hours for no apparent reason. I mean... I was muted... how could I even have flamed if I was muted in the first place??

Then I waited another 48 hours. And now, its been increased to 126 hours (it's 168 hours now...).

I mean seriously... what is going on? I did pub stomp quite a few games ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ off the whole enemy team. Could that be the reason?
Last edited by Ghantauke; Apr 25, 2013 @ 1:36pm
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Cavy Apr 25, 2013 @ 1:36pm 
invite your friends to dota 2 and play with your new teammates with skype
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Ultrix Prime Apr 25, 2013 @ 2:24pm 
Originally posted by Ghantauke:
Finally, when the mute was about to be lifted with a few hours remaining, it was increased for 48 hours for no apparent reason. I mean... I was muted... how could I even have flamed if I was muted in the first place??

Because the system is totally broken and flawed and people can and *are* reporting others for no reason at all because this is seen as "fun" by many.

Ergo, until this is fixed, you may want to stay clear of the Dota 2 beta. On the other hand, since it is a beta, and since the system is now totally broken, you can, if you chose, go in game with friends and create bogus comm abuse reports as so many others are doing. This may *seem* like a bad thing; however, this is a Beta, not a released product and Valve doesn't listen to Beta users - they only care about data. So by giving them more and more data showing them how horribly flawed Dota 2 is as a game with this fundamentally broken and absurd "feature" you may actually be doing the game and the community a service.

In fact, if this feature remains at all (note: there *is* a mute button) the game will end up being far less playable as a team game. In fact, it currently limits team play such that if a player gets a malicious mute by making the mistake of going in the Valve unmanaged pubs right now, they are in turn silenced in game. That works ok for over the internet play but imagine a LAN event where Skype isn't allowed, for instance?

Thus on the competitive side of things, the answer a prudent course would seem to be that competitive players should not under any circumstances play on Valve pubs. They are simply setting themselves up to be tr*lled by any opposing players or team that chooses to mess with them.

Basically at this point, it doesn't matter if you say anything or not. The Valve comm abuse reporting system is designed *for* *tr*lling*.
Last edited by Ultrix Prime; Apr 25, 2013 @ 2:27pm
Felix Argyle Apr 25, 2013 @ 2:39pm 
Like I've said before, and this is a message for Valve, please remove player-bound mutes and just remind people how to mute others on their own client.

For those who dont know how to do a personal mute, like I didn't for about 200 hours of play, click the little mic icon next to the Kills stat on the scoreboard.
cazaron Apr 25, 2013 @ 2:45pm 
People report for no reason, that's why it's gone up, but you understand how you got the mute in the first place, right? Being offensive.

Sure, this is the internet, 'harden up' etc, but don't be offensive to people and you won't be punished.
Ghantauke Apr 25, 2013 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by DAC | cazaron:
People report for no reason, that's why it's gone up, but you understand how you got the mute in the first place, right? Being offensive.

Sure, this is the internet, 'harden up' etc, but don't be offensive to people and you won't be punished.

If you think saying "wow do you ever get your hooks on target" should get you muted for 24 hours then the 'real' flamers deserve to be muted for 7 lives. And please don't act like you've never flamed before.

Even saying this would typically get me muted if it were ingame.
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why.... Apr 25, 2013 @ 3:37pm 
just for curiosity. to see if i'm not mad.

I was banned 24 hours ago for abusive.
Ok, i accepted it as "fatality" and today 1 hour left of ban.
I play a game, obviously without being able to do anything as i am banned from communicating. Each time i tried to write something like "RE" or "ss bot" i get the dreaded message with 1 hour left

End the game. Starta new one. Write "RE" and .... i'm told i am banned for 47 hours for abusive communication.

WHAT? How in the name of zeus i can get a ban for abusive communication while i can't communicate at all?

Is valve really that illogical and don't even check if a report can be true? How can i get reported for communication and the system simply say i get a ban while the system already has be banned for that?

This system is not only flawed by allowing all to report and get people banned without checking, but it's even idiotic in worst possible way (and yes it's the mildest word to describe it) in order to ban a person for something he can't possible do.

Valve, you really have done it. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ a lot of people with you lack of judgment. GG WP!
cazaron Apr 25, 2013 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by Ghantauke:
Originally posted by DAC | cazaron:
People report for no reason, that's why it's gone up, but you understand how you got the mute in the first place, right? Being offensive.

Sure, this is the internet, 'harden up' etc, but don't be offensive to people and you won't be punished.

If you think saying "wow do you ever get your hooks on target" should get you muted for 24 hours then the 'real' flamers deserve to be muted for 7 lives. And please don't act like you've never flamed before.

Even saying this would typically get me muted if it were ingame.

Yeah, whether or not I've done it is completely irrelevant to the situation. I never said anything about what I've done.

The point is correct though: If you're offensive, then there's the possibility of punishment. I'm not saying your comments were awful or even bad or anything like that, but it is something that can be construed as offensive. If that was all you said (no follow up comments or arguing or other insults) then that's not really worth a ban, but it's fairly simple: unless you're playing with people you know won't react badly to your 'jibes', just don't do it. It's not worth it.

The only thing it will do is agitate the other player, and they'll probably report you. Yes, for no real reason, I agree, but the system doesn't work off reality of reports, it works off number.
Ghantauke Apr 25, 2013 @ 4:49pm 
Originally posted by DAC | cazaron:
Originally posted by Ghantauke:

If you think saying "wow do you ever get your hooks on target" should get you muted for 24 hours then the 'real' flamers deserve to be muted for 7 lives. And please don't act like you've never flamed before.

Even saying this would typically get me muted if it were ingame.

Yeah, whether or not I've done it is completely irrelevant to the situation. I never said anything about what I've done.

The point is correct though: If you're offensive, then there's the possibility of punishment. I'm not saying your comments were awful or even bad or anything like that, but it is something that can be construed as offensive. If that was all you said (no follow up comments or arguing or other insults) then that's not really worth a ban, but it's fairly simple: unless you're playing with people you know won't react badly to your 'jibes', just don't do it. It's not worth it.

The only thing it will do is agitate the other player, and they'll probably report you. Yes, for no real reason, I agree, but the system doesn't work off reality of reports, it works off number.

Well, you're only seeing half the problem. How do you justify getting mute extension for "not speaking".
pringles Apr 25, 2013 @ 4:54pm 
Originally posted by Ghantauke:
Well, you're only seeing half the problem. How do you justify getting mute extension for "not speaking".

perhaps you were reported by several players over the course of several games. punishments probably don't happen instantly - you could have accumulated a number of reports by the time the system came to deal with you.
cazaron Apr 25, 2013 @ 4:57pm 
Originally posted by ;828937420111150105:
Well, you're only seeing half the problem. How do you justify getting mute extension for "not speaking".

That, i disagree with. If you're being reported for not being able to communicate based on a punishment, it's not really fair.
Not being ALLOWED to communicate and then being banned for longer because of that is Valve's issue to sort out, cause it's not right.

I was talking about communication reports, not post punishment though.
Ghantauke Apr 25, 2013 @ 5:02pm 
Originally posted by DC standby:
Originally posted by Ghantauke:
Well, you're only seeing half the problem. How do you justify getting mute extension for "not speaking".

perhaps you were reported by several players over the course of several games. punishments probably don't happen instantly - you could have accumulated a number of reports by the time the system came to deal with you.

I just started playing dota 2 after taking a long break of about 5 months. I was muted in my 2nd game. So what you're saying isn't possible.
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Ultrix Prime Apr 25, 2013 @ 5:19pm 
Originally posted by DAC | cazaron:
Sure, this is the internet, 'harden up' etc, but don't be offensive to people and you won't be punished.

Hahahahaha, that sentence contains such a huge contradiction it is worthy of pointing out for the shear humor of it.

Were there a clue out there somewhere, it would have read this "This is the Internet, people find it *fun* to tr*ll games in any way they can and given that all anyone has to do is report anyone/everyone for *fun*, expect that to continue indefinitely."

That is, of course if there was a clue involved in writing the sentence!

LOL - such awesome obtuseness made my day!
Ultrix Prime Apr 25, 2013 @ 5:23pm 
Originally posted by DAC | cazaron:
The point is correct though: If you're offensive, then there's the possibility of punishment.

Are you Russian? Comm abuse report. Are you American? Comm Abuse Report. Did you pick Drow?! Comm Abuse Report. Are you the pink player and someone hates the color pink? Comm Abuse Report! Is my dog sick? Comm Abuse Report for everyone!

Your point was completely *meaningless* because it assumes something that does not *exist* in the new system - *Judgement*

It's probably one of the most hilariousness stupid things a company has done since the new Sim City release.
Last edited by Ultrix Prime; Apr 25, 2013 @ 5:26pm
cazaron Apr 25, 2013 @ 5:40pm 
Originally posted by Ultrix Prime:
Originally posted by DAC | cazaron:
The point is correct though: If you're offensive, then there's the possibility of punishment.

Are you Russian? Comm abuse report. Are you American? Comm Abuse Report. Did you pick Drow?! Comm Abuse Report. Are you the pink player and someone hates the color pink? Comm Abuse Report! Is my dog sick? Comm Abuse Report for everyone!

Your point was completely *meaningless* because it assumes something that does not *exist* in the new system - *Judgement*

It's probably one of the most hilariousness stupid things a company has done since the new Sim City release.

Trolls exist. Yes, the system is bad.
Doesn't change the validity of the statement in question. I said nothing about being punished for no reason, i said there was the possibility of punishment if you're offensive.

Such obtuseness was given by you in dismissing the statement purely for your own comedic purposes.
Slinkyb Apr 25, 2013 @ 6:52pm 
You do realize people are reporting people just to do it right? I have seen people report a player just cause they stomped the other team. Didn't say one thing offensive or that could have been mistaken for it either. The guy might have said three words the whole game and not to the other team and yet they all reported him and said they were reporting him. The most broke system ever. Never give players that kind of power in a game.
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