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K. Constantine Mar 27, 2018 @ 3:31am
For real though, the 1997 design was more fitting.
No trolling or anything, being as genuine as possible here.
90's shooters were all about over the top characters with over the top personalities, that they take their defining characteristics to ludicrous extremes.
I like subtle, mature designs as much as the next guy, but there are places where they don't fit, one such place is 90's shooters. The current design looks like something you'd see in a game like Mass Effect for example, a fairly serious story with relatable characters. While the 1997 design is perfect for an over the top action game. It's feminine, confident, over the top and memorable, an exact reflection of the male protagonists of the 90's and there's nothing sexist about it. Unless you happen to think that attractive, confident women are sexist, which couldn't be any less true.
1997 Shelly is a Bombshell, 2018 Shelly doesn't look like she belongs in her game.
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HansGrulo66 Mar 27, 2018 @ 5:09pm 
Originally posted by Maindrian:
It could just have been my experience, but I remember the 90's being pretty progressive in those regards?

Maybe he meant the 70's?

I dunno if it was ever that acceptable to use horrible language like that on a daily basis. Especially the racial ones.

And even back then most politically incorrect games would go that far as that's kinda disrespectful depending on the context.
Spider❀Lily Mar 27, 2018 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by Maindrian:
It could just have been my experience, but I remember the 90's being pretty progressive in those regards?

Maybe he meant the 70's?

I recall ♥♥♥♥♥♥ being dropped here and there.
The most memorable is when my main man Blain Cooper in Predator dropped the line "Bunch of slack jawed-♥♥♥♥♥♥s around here! This stuff will make you a god damn sexual Tyrannosaurus! Just like me." So yeah it happened. Now for racial slang? Yeah I recall some of it, mainly Tarantino flicks though, and those carried on to this very day. Some just don't really care because context is very important here.
HansGrulo66 Mar 27, 2018 @ 6:11pm 
Originally posted by Fortinbras:
Originally posted by Maindrian:
It could just have been my experience, but I remember the 90's being pretty progressive in those regards?

Maybe he meant the 70's?

I recall ♥♥♥♥♥♥ being dropped here and there.
The most memorable is when my main man Blain Cooper in Predator dropped the line "Bunch of slack jawed-♥♥♥♥♥♥s around here! This stuff will make you a god damn sexual Tyrannosaurus! Just like me." So yeah it happened. Now for racial slang? Yeah I recall some of it, mainly Tarantino flicks though, and those carried on to this very day. Some just don't really care because context is very important here.

The context was kinda jokey in Predator. And was meant to be homophobic.



K. Constantine Mar 27, 2018 @ 11:28pm 
Originally posted by Maindrian:
It could just have been my experience, but I remember the 90's being pretty progressive in those regards?

Maybe he meant the 70's?
You mean the 1870s?
Maindrian Mar 28, 2018 @ 1:58am 
Originally posted by K. Constantine:
You mean the 1870s?

Haha, steady on, I'm not that old!
north Mar 28, 2018 @ 10:46am 
90s was BASED if you lived in any country that mattered men were men and banter was king. average man in the 90s in my country = duke nukem
please don't appeal to the switch owning soylent drinking nu-male audience like doom 2016 and nu-wolfenstein did
Maindrian Mar 28, 2018 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by north:
90s was BASED if you lived in any country that mattered men were men and banter was king. average man in the 90s in my country = duke nukem
please don't appeal to the switch owning soylent drinking nu-male audience like doom 2016 and nu-wolfenstein did

Trying too hard.
north Mar 28, 2018 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by Maindrian:
Trying too hard.
truth hurts harder than the soylent comedown I guess?
Maindrian Mar 28, 2018 @ 12:13pm 
Yeah. Soylent. That's the stuff.

(Nobody tell him.)
Blants Mar 28, 2018 @ 12:22pm 
It's just getting so tiring to hear all the whining on these forums (and other parts of the internet). Shelly is fine, she fits the game we have now way more than the previous iterations and at least stands a little on her own outside of "girl duke", since she's more along the lines of a cop now and feels little like a female Judge Dredd, great, I find that way more interesting than the stock "badass sexy woman" thing that has been done to death by now. I don't know what's with the insistence that she doesn't fit 90s shooters, as if there's a very narrow spectrum of characters that can only fit Build games and that she could only fit in by removing half her clothes and screaming wacky catchphrases into the camera every 30 seconds. She fits the tone of the game fine, and if this were released in the 90s nobody would bat an eyelid, it's a perfect callback to the cyberpunk vision of the future common at the time.

I'm not saying you personally are, but a lot of the comments on the previous designs page just feel like they are coming from desperate man-children who can't appreciate a female character unless she is almost naked, it's just quite pathetic to see 3D Realms do something cool by showing us a look at some previous iterations of the character only to have people in the comments whine endlessly about "MUH SJWS". It strikes me as hypocritical when people were crying so much on these forums at the very idea of there being a male strip-club in the game as a nod to the infamous Duke one, as if it's bad for there to be male sexuality in the game, and now only good if female sexuality is shoved in where it doesn't really fit.
north Mar 28, 2018 @ 1:37pm 
Originally posted by Blants:
the very idea of there being a male strip-club

that's hella gay dude. maybe if this was an otome/boy love game sure, but it ain't
Blants Mar 28, 2018 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by north:
Originally posted by Blants:
the very idea of there being a male strip-club

that's hella gay dude. maybe if this was an otome/boy love game sure, but it ain't

That just proves my point, it's gay when men are sexualised but something to be pushed for even when it doesn't call for it when women are. Have both or neither if it makes you so uncomfortable.
Last edited by Blants; Mar 28, 2018 @ 3:02pm
K. Constantine Mar 28, 2018 @ 3:45pm 
Originally posted by Blants:
Shelly is fine, she fits the game we have now way more than the previous iterations
Yeah, generic woman in general sci-fi armor sure fits cartoon bombs, skull spiders and wacky cyborg hijinks.
Shelly's design is fine, it just doesn't fit her game or her iconic weapons.
Last edited by K. Constantine; Mar 28, 2018 @ 3:46pm
Elohemian Mar 28, 2018 @ 4:00pm 
1997 design was more like a Duke's gender-swap though. Not real creativity or uniqueness to it. New one fits more with the whole cop thing since Shelly now looks like a female Judge or a cop from Robocop. You know, police officers from a dystopian setting.
terminx  [developer] Mar 28, 2018 @ 4:08pm 
Have you seen the other armor designs you pick up in the game? One of them is basically a metal corset over red leather with a spiked collar. I'm not sure what else you guys want from us here. :D
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