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Nax Mar 6, 2017 @ 2:16am
[SPOILERS] Is it really all James's fault?
His sister, having been at a party where literally everyone was drinking, and seeing her brother with whiskey bottle in hand, asks James to drive her home. At what point does the sober party take responsibility for asking someone under the influence to drive? Clearly after some point drunk people aren't able to make rational choices. If I saw someone holding a half empty whiskey bottle I wouldn't get in a car with them.

Of course, this is all from James' s perspective so he would think it was his fault. But what do you all think?
Last edited by Nax; Mar 19, 2017 @ 1:38pm
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BadMuzzy Mar 6, 2017 @ 2:15pm 
Even the dad asks you to take your sister home well aware that you're drunk, he just tells you to take it easy since you've had a few. Seems like pretty irresponsible parenting to me.
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Kolbex Mar 6, 2017 @ 9:58pm 
I agree. She watches you struggle to open the car, get the key in the ignition and forget to undo the emergency brake, and still lets you drive? Also, going to a party like that with a definite curfew and no plan of egress? Poor form.
Aperture Mar 7, 2017 @ 12:54am 
Psh. Of course it's not al James' fault. James and super-smart, talented, star Jennifer go to a family home for a big party. Super-smart, talented sister gets drunk. Ever-wise Father decides for some inexplicable reason that a bottle of the oldest, strongest whiskey he could find was the perfect gift for the trouble child who was going to be traveling soon. Said trouble child predictably figures that, with everyone else monumentally drunk, the safest thing he could possibly do is get as drunk as he can too. Father, Mother, and all others get so drunk that the kid drunk on double malt whiskey is the most sober person Sister can find to drive her home. Being drunk and probably not to terribly bright to begin with, says yes. Sister stares wide-eyed (game's words) as she has to talk you through every single step of driving a car, including using his damned keys. Despite the obvious warning signs everywhere, Sister still decides that she'd rather risk her life and all her hopes and dreams by getting into a car with a drunk driver than miss a single day of work.

Now, I'm no licensed ethicist, but frankly, I'd say James is one of the people least responsible for the accident. Maybe it's just the fact that I don't drink and it's my inner Carrie Nation coming out, but the sheer lack of care or safety measures taken in the entire scenario is just astounding. I mean, Jesus Christ, Britain! You're supposed to be the civilized sibling!
BadMuzzy Mar 7, 2017 @ 4:03am 
Just thought of something looking at replays on YouTube. Don't know if it's just me, but the bad parenting makes much more sense if you consider that maybe James is being framed for the accident by the interviewers planting fake memories. If you take a look at the last dialogue in almost all the parts, you are forced to confess and plaid guilty. Especially in part 4 in the hospital hallway when Jen is talking to him she is forcing him to confess which very much contradicts her behaviour in the car before the accident.
Nax Mar 7, 2017 @ 8:50pm 
Originally posted by BadMuzzy:
If you take a look at the last dialogue in almost all the parts, you are forced to confess and plaid guilty.

That's something that I thought of as well, that the police were pinning it on him and the doctor believed the police so they helped shape James's memories. It is -possible- that someone who was drunk with a head injury could have thought of pinning the crime on another person, but not likely as James previously couldn't even figure out how cars work.

On the other hand, the narritive doesn't allow a lot of wiggle room.
Kyote Mar 9, 2017 @ 7:13pm 
ALL his fault? No. MOSTLY his fault? Hell yes. Never, ever drive drunk. No matter who tells you to, no matter how safe YOU think you are. The dad should've noticed, the sister sure as hell should've noticed, but ultimately James is the one who puts the key in the ignition and drives.
lb-Cyber Mar 10, 2017 @ 11:46pm 
No court on the planet would ever reason that a drunk driver is not guilty because people let him/her drive. James' dad shares some of the blame, and Jennifer misplaced her trust, but every substantial fault rests on James... ESPECIALLY planting evidence at the scene.
TITOMOSQUITO187 Mar 11, 2017 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by Nax:
Originally posted by BadMuzzy:
If you take a look at the last dialogue in almost all the parts, you are forced to confess and plaid guilty.

That's something that I thought of as well, that the police were pinning it on him and the doctor believed the police so they helped shape James's memories. It is -possible- that someone who was drunk with a head injury could have thought of pinning the crime on another person, but not likely as James previously couldn't even figure out how cars work.

On the other hand, the narritive doesn't allow a lot of wiggle room.

Agreed. Him thinking to plant evidence was a bit hard to believe, but while drunk and even in blackoiuts your own survival instinct can be high enough that you would be able to process that instinct to save your own skin. The police would have tested him for alcohol for sure too. He would have smelled of alcohol easily drinking hard liqour. He would have had a blood test in the hodpital while being worked on for his injuries as well. Especially if he was in a coma as was implied because they would have to know what is going on.

I disliked the ending a lot that it ended up being a drunk driving accident. I hoped for more clues that it was manipulation of him, but they really didn't leave it open to much interpretation. They make us believe that everything we see that is abnormal is all in his mind. They make the doctors sound sympathetic in his "sessions" where they tape him. The rest you have to chalk up to delusions. Especially the part in the radio stations where they even accuse him of it and they make it appear as if they are under attack from some supernatural forces. The police officer being one of the people working with him?

The reactions of his delusions were all things he would think, or see himself if this was the real situation, but not necessarily how they really happened. How his mother never wanting to talk to him again for instance. His sister forcing him to confess, etc. This topic questionc itself lends to an explanation that these weren't the real events as they really happened too because they seem so ridiclous upon any examination of them. That all the other actors were so oblivious to any possible impending doom. These all scream of being manipulated, or subconscious thoughts.

We can assume he was in a coma the entire time too I guess so his subconscious was pushing all this, which would make him causing her death likely true. OF course, if he were in a coma, he couldn't possibly have planted evidence on the other driver now could he? Unless of course I don't remember that he went into a coma later. Makes little sense that it happened that way, however.

I so wished that the sci-fi route was to be taken in the ending and was a bit of a MIND=BLOWN scenario, but it was the simplest explanation as far as I can tell from the way it was presented.
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Radiant:D Mar 11, 2017 @ 5:06pm 
It is all james's fault as no one should drink and drive, but I wonder how many people who drink drive and have an accident actually seriously think a) they should not drink and drive and b) think that an accident will happen to them.

James in this case had other factors affecting him - being the troublesome son, possibly feeling he needed to drink the whiskey because it's from his dad to make him happy and taking his sister home as he gets on well with her and wants to treat her right.

With all this flowing around pre-crash no wonder in the end he took the risk, and then it all blew up in his face, as the final decision to drive was his fault, pre-existing circumstances or not and the implication of the other driver is a serious offence. People are people and crazy stuff like this happens unfortunately.
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pho Mar 12, 2017 @ 1:20pm 
Please, At least change the title on this thread. This spoiled the whole ending for me.
Power_Bert Mar 16, 2017 @ 12:42pm 
Its not about drunk driving but about taking responsebility for your actions. Its about caring for your sister instead of planting false evidence. Jen talking out of character is James own guilt made manifest.
Last edited by Power_Bert; Mar 16, 2017 @ 12:43pm
TITOMOSQUITO187 Mar 20, 2017 @ 2:30pm 
Originally posted by Power_Bert:
Its not about drunk driving but about taking responsebility for your actions. Its about caring for your sister instead of planting false evidence. Jen talking out of character is James own guilt made manifest.

Yes. That is the message overall. I think it was pretty straight forward, but I like that people theorized about more off the wall scenarios as well. I think the game set that up and we had all hoped it would be something crazy, but in the end it was pretty much what you think it was.
Darkstar Mar 23, 2017 @ 12:49am 
i found myself desperately trying to keep my sci-fi imaginings alive while the game crept towards more worldly explanations. At one point i made a last ditch effort at ignorance, thinking; Maybe the therapist is a bodysnatcher style infiltrator?...please.....

Now that i write that, I am starting to appreciate the game on a new meta-level; I was literally emulating the character as i mentaly pleaded for the untold stories tv show to be real instead of the grim reality that was unfolding. My own inner monologue matching that of the character as i thought; "No!, this is not some sobering tale of family grimness, for you see, I am a government agent cought up in a mystery of extreme importance!"

Was this the intention of the developer? Appreciation level rising....
Kolbex Mar 29, 2017 @ 1:47pm 
Originally posted by lb-Cyber:
No court on the planet would ever reason that a drunk driver is not guilty because people let him/her drive. James' dad shares some of the blame, and Jennifer misplaced her trust, but every substantial fault rests on James... ESPECIALLY planting evidence at the scene.

Courts are not the arbiters of right and wrong.
jon  [developer] Mar 29, 2017 @ 3:51pm 
I'm hesitant to give a definitive answer to all of this, because I love that you guys are debating it! Lots of good points being made though - love it, makes us smile :)
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