Spotting and XP

[Brummbær]

Team oriented playing doesn't pay off. It's not only spotting but playing objectives as well. You just don't get the right amount xp for supporting your team.

Just had a game as a YY with 84k damage done myself but 177k spotting damage and only received 1.5k base XP. That is just ridiculous. No wonder nobody does anything else but to go for damage and kills anymore.

This needs fixing ASAP.

[Ryuu]

Hmm, makes me wonder, if spotting damage is %-based as well like pure damage… So maybe spotting ship for 100% of its HP pays off far better than spotting 50k of a BB which then heals and survives…

[imrahil2]

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Hmm, makes me wonder, if spotting damage is %-based as well like pure damage… So maybe spotting ship for 100% of its HP pays off far better than spotting 50k of a BB which then heals and survives…

You get a particular % of the xp the shooting ship gets and it is based on ship type. So for instance DDs get a larger % of spotting xp when compared with BBs. I believe LWM has a chart somewhere of a rough idea of the spotting awards.

[Ryuu]

Interesting idea from forum:
"I also think they should add a "Scout" honorable achievement, along the lines of first blood or close quarters expert, which could be obtained if your spotting damage exceeds 20% or 25% of the enemy health pool.

On the few occasions where my spotting damage exceeded 100k, I felt neglected to not be given any recognition for it. Any way you look at it that's a significant battle contribution."

Indeed, after smoke nerf it became kinda harder to earn spotting damage.

[PoP]

I just started a thread on the need for better teamwork. The rewards if any are not obvious enough not even to me, and I play a lot. Random is so bad now its impossible to get a winning team anymore. I don't cout myself as good player, but I can see when we have a hopeless team pretty fast.
Random is broken and needs fixed even with the Indy reward mission I find myself really wondering is it worth this hopless mode anymore.

[StormhawkV]

According to the devs spotting and capping only has a minor impact on the game so it's not rewarded in the same way. Together with the other answers they gave during the Q&A it really made me ask myself if they ever play their own game.

[Ryuu]

Originally posted by StormhawkV:

According to the devs spotting and capping only has a minor impact on the game so it's not rewarded in the same way. Together with the other answers they gave during the Q&A it really made me ask myself if they ever play their own game.

Can you link that Q&A BTW?

[imrahil2]

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Originally posted by StormhawkV:

According to the devs spotting and capping only has a minor impact on the game so it's not rewarded in the same way. Together with the other answers they gave during the Q&A it really made me ask myself if they ever play their own game.

Can you link that Q&A BTW?

The most recent Q&A I recall is this one. https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/102199-wg-devqna-transcription-raw/

Do we want to increase the role of support activities in terms of credits and experience points?
We don’t want to go too far into this. You will still get a decent amount of credits and XP for spotting and tanking, but at the end of the day we still want to reward the actions that lead your team to victory, which is, capturing points, sinking ships and dealing damage.

[Ryuu]

Originally posted by imrahil2:

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Can you link that Q&A BTW?

The most recent Q&A I recall is this one. https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/102199-wg-devqna-transcription-raw/

Do we want to increase the role of support activities in terms of credits and experience points?
We don’t want to go too far into this. You will still get a decent amount of credits and XP for spotting and tanking, but at the end of the day we still want to reward the actions that lead your team to victory, which is, capturing points, sinking ships and dealing damage.

Oh, i guess it's compiled from Reddit. I like Reddit but don't have time for that community And for webforum as well :/

Thanks, interesting read. If anyone informs me about those Q&As being posted - i can make a pinned topic somewhere and copy each Q&A there.

[imrahil2]

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Originally posted by imrahil2:

The most recent Q&A I recall is this one. https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/102199-wg-devqna-transcription-raw/

Do we want to increase the role of support activities in terms of credits and experience points?
We don’t want to go too far into this. You will still get a decent amount of credits and XP for spotting and tanking, but at the end of the day we still want to reward the actions that lead your team to victory, which is, capturing points, sinking ships and dealing damage.

Oh, i guess it's compiled from Reddit. I like Reddit but don't have time for that community And for webforum as well :/

Thanks, interesting read. If anyone informs me about those Q&As being posted - i can make a pinned topic somewhere and copy each Q&A there.

I'll try to post them when I see them. I don't follow the reddit group much but other players often repost it to the NA forums.

[Ryuu]

Originally posted by imrahil2:

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Oh, i guess it's compiled from Reddit. I like Reddit but don't have time for that community And for webforum as well :/

Thanks, interesting read. If anyone informs me about those Q&As being posted - i can make a pinned topic somewhere and copy each Q&A there.

I'll try to post them when I see them. I don't follow the reddit group much but other players often repost it to the NA forums.

Okay, send me any feedback or things you want to get posted :)

[StormhawkV]

Q&A session recorded by CC Flamu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqaFK9wLAk0

[Ryuu]

Oh, i prefer text over videos, they take too much time.

[StormhawkV]

Originally posted by imrahil2:

Do we want to increase the role of support activities in terms of credits and experience points?
We don’t want to go too far into this. You will still get a decent amount of credits and XP for spotting and tanking, but at the end of the day we still want to reward the actions that lead your team to victory, which is, capturing points, sinking ships and dealing damage.

That's the problem, you don't get a decent amount of XP and next to no credits for capping. It's why I said they don't seem to play their own game. Later on Flamu asked if something can be done about the order of spotting icons because you don't know if you can smoke up while you're LoS spotted. A dev then claimed this was already the case when it's clearly not. The current order is LoS > planespotted > radar and everyone who ever played a hightier DD knows this because it's such a basic thing.

[Ryuu]

I still think capping is rewarded quite well. Before it was really broken, the top XP spots in ranked mode almost always were destroyers. Basically the one who managed to capture any area by himself and then do just a little something.
I admit it's now harder to get a top XP spot as destroyer, especially non-gunboat one(like Shimakaze), but still possible if you play well, live long and effectively. Even if it doesn't get you a lot of XP directly - those support activities help your team to win, and winning means more XP! So it's kinda balanced.
Not perfectly, yeah, maybe they should up it back a bit or add rewards for some other support activities.

Originally posted by StormhawkV:

The current order is LoS > planespotted > radar and everyone who ever played a hightier DD knows this because it's such a basic thing.

Yeah, it's tricky, really adds to making a DD's life hard. But it's already a pretty magical perk, it shouldn't be too powerful because it's free! So seems fine and also logical order to me, at least it's universal. For other ship classes that order makes perfect sense, adjusting it just for DDs seems OP.
Do you remember when we had to spend 1 skillpoint to get it? I do.

I have another complaint: CVs shouldn't know when and how they're spotted It became too hard to ambush a CV as a destroyer! It was hard before but now they just sail away as soon as they see that lightbulb, so torpedoes rarely hit and guns… Well, hope you set a fire and they don't have Emergency Takeoff perk.
This shouldn't be free for CVs. Or they shouldn't know the spotting source.

[imrahil2]

Originally posted by StormhawkV:

Originally posted by imrahil2:

Do we want to increase the role of support activities in terms of credits and experience points?
We don’t want to go too far into this. You will still get a decent amount of credits and XP for spotting and tanking, but at the end of the day we still want to reward the actions that lead your team to victory, which is, capturing points, sinking ships and dealing damage.

That's the problem, you don't get a decent amount of XP and next to no credits for capping. It's why I said they don't seem to play their own game. Later on Flamu asked if something can be done about the order of spotting icons because you don't know if you can smoke up while you're LoS spotted. A dev then claimed this was already the case when it's clearly not. The current order is LoS > planespotted > radar and everyone who ever played a hightier DD knows this because it's such a basic thing.

Capping does reward a nice chunk of xp in domination, however do think it could use a slight boost in standard though.