Explosive bolt "bugfix" nerfs them too hard

[Urmanin]

Not only are they extremely awkward to use and are borderline useless in multiplayer, they no longer even do enough damage to kill slashers. Is this a joke? Why do the devs hate explosive bolts so much? At least make the explosion instant on death or something to make up for it, or give us our damage back.

[Pinhead Larry]

Yeah, for how extremely limited the ammo is on those, they NEED to be worth using over any other option that can kill your targets just as, if not faster and don't have horrible ammo economy

[phenir]

Originally posted by Urmanin:

Not only are they extremely awkward to use and are borderline useless in multiplayer, they no longer even do enough damage to kill slashers. Is this a joke? Why do the devs hate explosive bolts so much? At least make the explosion instant on death or something to make up for it, or give us our damage back.

The explosion from bolts do 280 damage up to 2.5m. Slashers have 177 hp and have a weakness to explosive damage. It's not going to kill slashers on the edge of the explosion (it'll still take over half their health away) but it definitely does enough damage to kill slashers that are closer.

[Xune]

Originally posted by phenir:

Originally posted by Urmanin:

Not only are they extremely awkward to use and are borderline useless in multiplayer, they no longer even do enough damage to kill slashers. Is this a joke? Why do the devs hate explosive bolts so much? At least make the explosion instant on death or something to make up for it, or give us our damage back.

The explosion from bolts do 280 damage up to 2.5m. Slashers have 177 hp and have a weakness to explosive damage. It's not going to kill slashers on the edge of the explosion (it'll still take over half their health away) but it definitely does enough damage to kill slashers that are closer.

It's not supposed to do 280 dmg its the bug that they fixed this patch. Now Its 140 Poison Area Damage in 4m radius (2.5m for max dmg then it decrease to min 30%).
So yeah you wont kill slashers with it on high haz,

Its very underwhelming, i wish they make the explosion animation instant a least.

[Deepest Blue]

i tried them once, so I admit I don't have thorough gauge on their effectiveness but i felt they were awkward enough without a nerf... lol

[El Conquistador de Amor]

Obviously the crossbow wasn't enough of a useless piece of ♥♥♥♥ for the devs' tastes.

[doggysnacks]

Im a big fan/defender of the explosive bolts and agree it was definitely overly nerfed by this fix. Its still a decent aoe option once you learn how to target and kite the bugs to get the most out of it but it feels significantly worse now. I think 280 was maybe overkill but a damage buff would really be nice to compensate, or if not reduce the time it takes to proc after death.

The awkward to use nature made the damage quite fair, tbh. Especially when phermones is obviously the most generally useful option. Id like to see some buffs to the explosive bolts and taser bolts now. But the crossbow wasnt and still aint useless to any overly dramatic folk that break down at the sight of any nerf.

[WiseDuck]

If all its good for is killing grunts, then you have so many other options that are better. I honestly had no idea the damage was a bug, since it seemed fine for the setup required and for how many bolts you got. Now it's... Yeah I'd rather take tasers. The Crossbow was actually perfectly fine until they fixed that bug.

[Kenn_Ethic]

I cant believe the damage was a bug and the fix ended up as a nerf, it's already a hassle to bunch up bugs to get the worth out of each bolt. Even more difficult with the slow animation before explosion giving other bugs a chance to get away which scales in higher hazard levels where bugs move faster.

[Ser Pounce]

Originally posted by phenir:

The explosion from bolts do 280 damage up to 2.5m. Slashers have 177 hp and have a weakness to explosive damage. It's not going to kill slashers on the edge of the explosion (it'll still take over half their health away) but it definitely does enough damage to kill slashers that are closer.

FYI, the bolt deal poison damage on the explosion.

[RaNdOmKiLs666]

Just make the explosive bolts explode on impact, bam awkwardness problem solved.

also think they should put the damage up a bit.

[Issen Nox]

Devs have insight on how many people is using what overclock. I'm sure they will look on this one again at some point.

[Barser]

Originally posted by El Conquistador de Amor:

Obviously the crossbow wasn't enough of a useless piece of ♥♥♥♥ for the devs' tastes.

It is damn good.

[moerty]

that's too bad, it's already a super clunky tool to use in general, it made sense to have a good explosive pay off since setting the right conditions to effect a decent sized group of bugs requires a lot of kiting.

it's now much easier to whip out the boomstick or zhukovs and get immediate equivalent killing power with far less stress and work.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Barser:

Originally posted by El Conquistador de Amor:

Obviously the crossbow wasn't enough of a useless piece of ♥♥♥♥ for the devs' tastes.

It is damn good.

[x] doubt

I just wanna see a video of someone making this thing work in haz 5 solo. No mods, no cheats no altered... god, a game without working anticheat.
In the actual live game its soooooo bad. Like actually use the godawful Xbow and kill stuff with it as well - dont just hog primary.

PS: No running away bosco mining, Actually play the game as intended. Or just dont bring bosco in the first place.

[DOOM_Dwarf]

Yeah, this nerf in disguise was completely uncalled for. As stated before, those bolts were hard enough to get value out of before. Now there's also no value in the first place.