If the Game closes....

[Akariu Tamokiy]

Hello,

I've heard troughout the internet that it is possible that the game could be soon pulled from the market. Now I fear that if I continue to play that it might some time later gone and everything wasfor nothing. If you, Square Enix, really close the game for whatever reason....then PLEASE! make a final patch that it can be played whithout any problems offline. I really like this game even though I play it not much. But the effort that went into this game shouldn't just vanish.

Everyone who wants the game alive as well shall give it a +1 or/and give his/her thoughts to this game.

[Masuo15]

That depends, on your country and the law; Belgium was removed due laws; and I Korean's server will be (or was) closed; due playerbase/transacctions not being high enough to justify the server's cost.

Besides that, there is nothing about closing or removing the game from anywhere else; but that can change depending on the circunstances. There is no official word for anything else.

As for running this game offline; is not possible; this game require a conecction whenever you change maps, after/before a battle and manny other points. The game is designed for mobile and online.

[Akariu Tamokiy]

Yeah I know, that's my problem...I live in Germany and there and whole europe as well discussing if lootboxes are gambling or not. Soon it could be that Germany as well will have that law...because they have to make everything that other european states do.....I hate politics -.-

That it needs a connection to enter maps etc is a thing, that could possibly be removed. I would even pay 30€-40€ to play that game further that way befor the game vanish just like that because of a stupid law....

So I hope that this may be recognised...because I hate it if a game with a good story is just gone.

[MEX]

Originally posted by Akariu Tamokiy:

Yeah I know, that's my problem...I live in Germany and there and whole europe as well discussing if lootboxes are gambling or not. Soon it could be that Germany as well will have that law...because they have to make everything that other european states do.....I hate politics -.-

That it needs a connection to enter maps etc is a thing, that could possibly be removed. I would even pay 30€-40€ to play that game further that way befor the game vanish just like that because of a stupid law....

So I hope that this may be recognised...because I hate it if a game with a good story is just gone.

Even in Belgium the LAW doesnt forbid MobiusFF, as long as the account is not transferable to another person ( so that it cant be sold ) AND noone can transfer any items ingame to another account !

Actually the only feature which would be against belgium law are the STEAM Trading Cards, which are not necessary for playing MobiusFF !

[goredrinker]

Originally posted by MEX:

Originally posted by Akariu Tamokiy:

Yeah I know, that's my problem...I live in Germany and there and whole europe as well discussing if lootboxes are gambling or not. Soon it could be that Germany as well will have that law...because they have to make everything that other european states do.....I hate politics -.-

That it needs a connection to enter maps etc is a thing, that could possibly be removed. I would even pay 30€-40€ to play that game further that way befor the game vanish just like that because of a stupid law....

So I hope that this may be recognised...because I hate it if a game with a good story is just gone.

Even in Belgium the LAW doesnt forbid MobiusFF, as long as the account is not transferable to another person ( so that it cant be sold ) AND noone can transfer any items ingame to another account !

Actually the only feature which would be against belgium law are the STEAM Trading Cards, which are not necessary for playing MobiusFF !

you may be mistaken here... my understanding is that belgian law prohibits loot boxes, so any game that includes loot box/rng based summoning of items via paid currency would be covered and prohibited. that is a lot of mobile games and even console/steam games, as there is a common approach to making money for game developers in microtransactions.

[MEX]

Originally posted by goredrinker:

Originally posted by MEX:

Even in Belgium the LAW doesnt forbid MobiusFF, as long as the account is not transferable to another person ( so that it cant be sold ) AND noone can transfer any items ingame to another account !

Actually the only feature which would be against belgium law are the STEAM Trading Cards, which are not necessary for playing MobiusFF !

you may be mistaken here... my understanding is that belgian law prohibits loot boxes, so any game that includes loot box/rng based summoning of items via paid currency would be covered and prohibited. that is a lot of mobile games and even console/steam games, as there is a common approach to making money for game developers in microtransactions.

Accourding to your definition, STEAM Trading Cards are against the "lootbox" law and STEAM should be shut down in Belgium too !

IF you are able to READ GERMAN, I suggest you read THIS :
https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Lootboxen-als-Gluecksspiel-Square-Enix-nimmt-mehrere-Spiele-vom-belgischen-Markt-4229896.html
and HERE you have a link to a clarification of this from the belgish minister of justice :
https://www.koengeens.be/news/2018/04/25/loot-boxen-in-drie-videogames-in-strijd-met-kansspelwetgeving

THIS may be the real reason why SE is cutting its losses and simply removes games and/or regions which dont bring enough revenue ( using the "lootbox" law as a cheap excursion ) :
https://www.pocketgamer.biz/asia/news/69420/square-enix-posts-a-loss-of-33-million-in-its-half-year-results/

[goredrinker]

Originally posted by MEX:

Originally posted by goredrinker:

you may be mistaken here... my understanding is that belgian law prohibits loot boxes, so any game that includes loot box/rng based summoning of items via paid currency would be covered and prohibited. that is a lot of mobile games and even console/steam games, as there is a common approach to making money for game developers in microtransactions.

Accourding to your definition, STEAM Trading Cards are against the "lootbox" law and STEAM should be shut down in Belgium too !

IF you are able to READ GERMAN, I suggest you read THIS :
https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Lootboxen-als-Gluecksspiel-Square-Enix-nimmt-mehrere-Spiele-vom-belgischen-Markt-4229896.html
and HERE you have a link to a clarification of this from the belgish minister of justice :
https://www.koengeens.be/news/2018/04/25/loot-boxen-in-drie-videogames-in-strijd-met-kansspelwetgeving

THIS may be the real reason why SE is cutting its losses and simply removes games and/or regions which dont bring enough revenue ( using the "lootbox" law as a cheap excursion ) :
https://www.pocketgamer.biz/asia/news/69420/square-enix-posts-a-loss-of-33-million-in-its-half-year-results/

i'd have to google translate it, would be painful - like reading an official mobius news post in half assed english lol...

idk, steam cards are the result of spending money in game, and they can actually be sold for money... so i'm not sure how that gets defined, but i'd say that is even more of a negative issue than in game microtransactions, because you can actually get real money from them. so yeah maybe steam should be shut down :P

[MEX]

Even players from Belgium can use a VPN to another country ( or something like TOR ) to create a new account there and continue playing with a NEW ACCOUNT which pretends to be from another country

[goredrinker]

Originally posted by MEX:

Even players from Belgium can use a VPN to another country to create a new account there and continue playing with a NEW ACCOUNT which pretends to be from another country

yeah that's what we tell our mates to do - so far so good

[Zemeckis]

Why would they have a problem with "loot boxes"?

[Handoiron]

Originally posted by Zemeckis:

Why would they have a problem with "loot boxes"?

Because it's a "game of chance" you pay to play. So it's been decided in Belgium that that entails "gambling".

Even though the "pay out" isn't monetary, it is still technically gambling. That's why it was even made as a purchase strategy and why it has become such a common method for F2P + microtransaction games.

Personally, the loot box microtransaction method turns me off of spending on a game. But I can see how some people could overextend themselves because "just one more and I could get what I'm after!!!"

[goredrinker]

Originally posted by Zemeckis:

Why would they have a problem with "loot boxes"?

because people spend money on in game garbage and is wasteful. but isnt that life? we take nothing with us when we die, yet in this case the government decided to make decisions for its people in how they enjoy their short lives.

[Dr. Atrocious]

Originally posted by goredrinker:

Originally posted by Zemeckis:

Why would they have a problem with "loot boxes"?

because people spend money on in game garbage and is wasteful. but isnt that life? we take nothing with us when we die, yet in this case the government decided to make decisions for its people in how they enjoy their short lives.

Yeah, "YOLO", right? If people want to jump off a bridge, let them. If they want to do drugs, let them. If they want to gamble until their life is ruined, let them. If a child gambles on their monthly allowance or their parents cash and gets addicted, let them. We only live once, and it's our decisions to make.

[goredrinker]

Originally posted by ℛaveÐƵ:

Originally posted by goredrinker:

because people spend money on in game garbage and is wasteful. but isnt that life? we take nothing with us when we die, yet in this case the government decided to make decisions for its people in how they enjoy their short lives.

Yeah, "YOLO", right? If people want to jump off a bridge, let them. If they want to do drugs, let them. If they want to gamble until their life is ruined, let them. If a child gambles on their monthly allowance or their parents cash and gets addicted, let them. We only live once, and it's our decisions to make.

if i earn money and choose to waste it on buying a hockey stick, food or some digital crap, why shouldn't i be allowed to? it is my money, i earned it. it isnt jumping off a bridge or doing drugs, it doesnt hurt anyone except potentially myself if i blow my money i should have been spending on my own human needs for survival... but then wouldnt i be a moron to do so? why should any government prevent me from making my own decisions with my money?

stop talking; no one cares about your opinion. your metaphors have nothing to do with gaming and loot boxes.

[Dr. Atrocious]

Originally posted by goredrinker:

Originally posted by ℛaveÐƵ:

Yeah, "YOLO", right? If people want to jump off a bridge, let them. If they want to do drugs, let them. If they want to gamble until their life is ruined, let them. If a child gambles on their monthly allowance or their parents cash and gets addicted, let them. We only live once, and it's our decisions to make.

if i earn money and choose to waste it on buying a hockey stick, food or some digital crap, why shouldn't i be allowed to? it is my money, i earned it. it isnt jumping off a bridge or doing drugs, it doesnt hurt anyone except potentially myself if i blow my money i should have been spending on my own human needs for survival... but then wouldnt i be a moron to do so? why should any government prevent me from making my own decisions with my money?

stop talking; no one cares about your opinion. your metaphors have nothing to do with gaming and loot boxes.

That's a rather short-sighted outlook. It's not just about you, unfortunately. If you were the only causualty of loot boxes, believe me, no one would give a damn.

[Alt Q Q]

Originally posted by Zemeckis:

Why would they have a problem with "loot boxes"?

A micro transaction that you purchased $z amount for x item is still fine and dandy because you basically purchased it. Loot boxes are micro transactions with a chance at a X item. So basically you paid an amount for the jackpot (which varies in different context), which is pretty much lottery/gambling with a different packaging.

Generally developers like to mask their marketing that micro transactions are purely comestic and only serve to enhance a player's experience.

If you have played dota 2 at it's earlier stages, depending on your luck again, you can get 3-4 of the same items from those 'treasures'. It was only changed later where you will be get a new item set until you have all of the items from that particular treasure. Despite so, they implemented a rare drop into their system. I haven't check the marketplace for awhile, but dota 2 marketplace's peak was a $200+ comestic only item while the treasure chest cost less than 10% of it.

But as far as mobius FF goes, ability card are not pure comestics as they played 1/4 of your character's functionality. The occasional jobs are even more impactful with how they affect a whole branch of cards. Currently mobius had 2 ways of 'guranteed pulls' in the form of pity pulls for specific banners and supreme tickets. Supreme tickets cost you real money of $70++ depending on your exchange rate for 1 card. The real money equivalent for pity pull is about $200 worth, assuming you gotten the 12,500 magicite bundle.

Working class folks have a income of their own and they are expected to have enough self control so addiction to gambling in short can be summarize to their own fault. However, games are directed mainly towards youths/younglings, and we all know how magic shows are fascinating due to it's presentation.

The crux is with the gambling factor that developers are trying to ignore/repackage, either out of denial or profit driven concepts. Irresponsible givers paired with receivers with poor self-control is a recipe for profit for the givers, and a disaster for the receivers.