DENUVO IS CONFIRMED!

[JackBaldy]

Originally posted by lukaself:

https://i.imgur.com/0DuY87v.jpg
Well... turns out Dying Light 2 will use Denuvo after all. Consider me surprised and disappointed. Off the wishlist it goes.

Source:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/534380/discussions/0/3193616250040885659/?ctp=22#c5015323029428488968

Looks like Dying Light 2 will use this anti-consumer piece of software. Not going to pre-order, I'm afraid. :Shrugs:

Edit:
They've now officially added it on the store page because the cat was let out of the bag (Probably accidentally) by tech support. Goes to show I was right about my suspicion that Uncy_Techland 100% was purposefully avoiding Denuvo topics.

If it's not that big of a deal like some people claim, then why did they hide it for so long?

[Dagtag]

Originally posted by JackBaldy:

Originally posted by Dagtag:

it's not bad if you don't notice it though.

You'd be one to not notice things from what I can tell.

being a sore winner is worse than a sore loser, then again, in this scenario we are neither. we are simply two people trying to bring across a point the other apparently isn't talking about.

not to mention your assumption is completely wrong and off base, you are assuming my lack of interest in your post is somehow transferable to noticing performance issues.

[kęsik]

I'm not buying it now. Thanks Techland. Great way to screw your beloved community. In the end you turned out to be the same greedy, anti consumer company as many others AAA developers. Big shame.

[Uncy_Techland]

FYI - I banned the OP for multiple cases of insulting users that disagree with him and comments like "
It's too bad that all the money in the world couldn't buy you a functioning brain. "

When it comes to Denuvo -
Dying Light 2 Stay Human was in development for seven years; throughout that period, over fifteen hundred people invested their time and talent into making the game. To protect the efforts of the whole team from piracy we suffered when we released Dying Light 1, we’ve included the Denuvo system, at least for the launch period. It’s a solution used widely for AAA games nowadays.
Being gamers ourselves, we understand your concerns, and we want to ensure that it will not impact your gaming experience. We continue putting extra resources into testing the game, and at this stage, we do not see any noticeable impact on the performance.
We’ll be actively reviewing feedback during the game’s launch.
Do not hesitate to share yours with us too.

Please remember, no matter the side you're on - do not insult other users just because they disagree with you.

[Pulkvedis]

Originally posted by Dagtag:

Originally posted by Pulkvedis:

Excessive DRM = Bad
Poorly implemented excessive DRM = worse

it's not bad if you don't notice it though.

I've noticed it enough, that a mention if it an instant turn-off for me. I've had far too many problems ( not performance, but I've been locked out if games I own) with Denuvo. Screw that crap

[walentaz]

People thinking, that adding 300MB+ of bloatware to exe file won't affect their experience are utterly delusional.. Personally not getting it anyway till spring or so, because Lost Ark launching on Feb 8 (so not enough time to beat DL2 till then anyhow) and then obviously top priority game Elden Ring on Feb 26. So with these two alone I'm completely full likely till late April - and still may prioritize Shadow Warrior 3 over this one based on reviews. It's most busy Q1 in years for high profile launches it's literally insane to even pick the priorities.

However - people cheering for Denuvo that ♥♥♥♥♥ their experience should seriously get their brain checked for tumors - because that crapware serves them in any way whatsoever - quite the opposite, it makes their experience inferior with variety of problems from increased load times, to performance issues, to even instability of the game.

[Dagtag]

Originally posted by Pulkvedis:

Originally posted by Dagtag:

it's not bad if you don't notice it though.

I've noticed it enough, that a mention if it an instant turn-off for me. I've had far too many problems ( not performance, but I've been locked out if games I own) with Denuvo. Screw that crap

it's an issue i heard about but never had anyone i know experience it. i do get why that would frustrate, in that case yes denuvo is indeed the issue. i was more talking about performance issues, which seems to be the main concern of people complaining about denuvo.

so yeah, in a way i can agree with your point of view, at least denuvo will probably get removed after some time has passed

[Ivraas]

Originally posted by Dagtag:

Originally posted by JackBaldy:

What exactly are you clearing up? That you, personally don't care about anti-consumer software in your product? Congrats to you?

Are you clearing up that you don't understand what anti-consumer means? This conversation too much for you to handle, or what? I'm not going to hold your hand, you're not paying me for that.

i am clearing up that denuvo isn't as bad as people make it out to be, the software in itself is not a performance killer, the implementations are at fault on that front, at least they contribute to the weight of the performance that gets killed, that is the misinformation i am clearing up. never once did i say it was pro/anti consumer

Well you just act like it doesn't matter. We have no idea how it will work and if people from Techland are a masters of implementation, but we do know it can work really badly and this is enough reasons to not support it.

Companies... they waited for the last moment to tell us about such a thing, clearly knowing there would be people not liking it. With services like gamepass or sales 50%>90% i really don't know why i should take a risk and pirate games these days, making your PC a mining for the criptovalutes getting the game from suspicious links or torrent sites that gets more and more corrupted, is more of a shield for the game companies then the mighty Denuvo that on the other hand, pushes legal users from purchasing the product.

[Nope]

Welp that confirm it, Denuvo is in the house. Just do everyone a favor and tell the devs to at least remove it from the game when the updates stop please Uncy_Techland

[Dagtag]

Originally posted by Ivraas:

Originally posted by Dagtag:

i am clearing up that denuvo isn't as bad as people make it out to be, the software in itself is not a performance killer, the implementations are at fault on that front, at least they contribute to the weight of the performance that gets killed, that is the misinformation i am clearing up. never once did i say it was pro/anti consumer

Well you just act like it doesn't matter. We have no idea how it will work and if people from Techland are a masters of implementation, but we do know it can work really badly and this is enough reasons to not support it.

actuallly we do have an idea, there are already quite a bit of gameplay videos out there that don't seem to suffer from any performance issues whatsoever, we won't know for certain until release, but that does seem promissing. this isn't something they decided to implement in the last couple days.

[geralt1212]

in that case, thank you, the playing will not be

[Top G]

idk how I feel about this, when it comes to open world games I never had a good experience with denuvo it always caused slow loading or stutters

[JustKampi]

Huh.
Looks like not only 4 first pages are an absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ even for steam forums standard...

[Dagtag]

Originally posted by JasonMassaker:

Originally posted by Dagtag:

No one need to listen to you u say is only the implementation but u got us no prof, and u can say it 1000 millions times again if we get not a benchmark fact or anything else..

As long not, it doesn't matter what u say. !!! its Fake news!!

we already have benchmarks, in fact, you provided them! look at how much of a difference there is in how denuvo impacts performance, how could that be? oh yes, the implementation.

but hey, you wanted proof right? like i said, explain hitman, denuvo got removed and there was barely an increase in performance, stability didn't change whatsoever.

not enough? how about your own video: https://youtu.be/YnSavmI3knQ?t=694

in case it doesn't start on the timestamp, go to about minute 12

even in this case there is barely any difference in performance. go ahead, explain all that away

[kiteless 凧無し]

Well I might pick it up on a deep sale once denuvo is gone but won’t support this product at full price, have fun those buying it, hope you enjoy the game

[walentaz]

Originally posted by Uncy_Techland:

Being gamers ourselves, we understand your concerns, and we want to ensure that it will not impact your gaming experience.

Every dev said that, because obviously none will say it ♥♥♥♥♥ up the performance, lol. It's the only thing you can say - it's called PR assurances. Yet time and time it was proven (whenever Denuvo was removed) that it does affect performance, increase load times by a freaking lot. and often cause instability.

I mean you wouldn't say "Yeah, it affects performance a bit - but it is what it is" - so what your PR statements are good for let me ask???? Just watch it doesn't backfire on you as like CDPR PR ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ backfired on them "it's done when it's done" and look what train wreck it dropped on release.

Rule #1: never blindly trust developers, no matter how stellar their reputation is up the point. If CDPR didn't teach people anything, idk what can.