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Yes, I am too. But threads discussing this were all locked. Anyway, there's the plain fact in the OP. Make what you will of it.
these fax, yet no conclusion. does present mean transgender? is it code for that. we at least got the fax. if something is presented, or currently presenting, what does that mean? hey, let's fax it: verb.. present particle of present. what's present then?? present time.. the time being; time in progress now, or at the moment contemplated.
this fight never ends and it's because i just can't let go of something that simply is not, and never will be, my business.
i just can't understand what this presenting would mean in this context. like would it actually mean that both sexes are presented as per the label of masc/fem? the hidden world... no, it must have something to do with transgender because that's what i came here to discuss. i never did care anything for vampires or games. the thing i care about is prevention of sexual and personal liberation.
Out of your world salad, a few concrete statements can be responded to:
Online sources suggest that "male-presenting" can mean a female or transgender person, and in fact is usually used in that sense (since "male-presenting male" sounds like a pleonasm).
Then what you are doing on a vampire game forum? For example, I am very interested in vampire games, and have been a fan of VTM: Redemption and VTM: Bloodlines for over 20 years.
Why do you think gamers don't care about the gender of the pre-determined protagonist of a game that is heavily narrative- and role-play-centered? Existing evidence with other such games points to the contrary.
Furthermore, it is very important for developers too, because things like this can seriously affect the game's reputation and sales.
Threads discussing this issue were locked. Plain example:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/532790/discussions/0/4634862385195156688/
Locked without explanation in a single day.
There is a difference between having a issue with lack of inclusion Vs being a genderphob.
The issue with this game is that it's pure laziness from the team, they have created something with as little effort as possible.
To have full DEI would be to have a representative from each gender and each masc/female presenting
Example:
Masc male Brujah
Masc female Brujah
Fem male Toreador
Fem female Toreador
Etc etc
Or the other way to have full DEI is to have body type A and body type B which you can make as masc or as fem as you wish.
This game doesn't provide DEI, this game provides no true choice in gender, skin colour etc etc and why? Because it's a single playthrough, single protagonist story they shoehorned into 4 clans & 2 gender representations.
It's why there is nothing overly distinctive or unique between them.
On that basis, had the game provided such abilities to create the character the way we wish the character to look/sound/act then any issues of masc/fem representation would be genderphobic.
However, it's little surprise that this point falls on deaf ears when it's being raised because instead of taking the time to listen and address the points being raised, it's easier to ignore them and treat everyone as homophobic or genderphobic.
And why?
Because it's apparently always the players fault, couldn't possibly be the fault of those that created the mess in the first place.
I am an arbiter, and in fact the only kind of arbiter that matters, because I am a prospective customer for buying this game. Of course, I am not the only prospective customer, but as experience with other games shows, these things do matter for players, and in some cases can even sink a game.
The developers are not making an art project, they are making a business product aimed at generating profit. If the game won't sell well, it will generate loss, not profit. Paradox is apparently well aware of this. So this issue is actually important not only to the prospective customers, but to the developers and the publisher since it may affect sales.
While it may not be important to you, personally, it does not mean that everybody else in the world thinks the same as you and shares your opinion on this matter. As even this very thread demonstrates.
We ARE discussing the character, and "their" various aspects, one of which is "their" actual gender.
Because the game is being sold as one when you can choose to play a male or female main character. But apparently this is not the case, and the main character is neither male nor female, but "masculine presenting" or "feminine presenting" and a "they".
While for some it may not matter, for others it might.
Actually the hair is a pretty minor concern since apparently it's the only part of the main character's appearance (besides clothing) that can be customised by the player in game.
In the thread that was locked for an unknown reason, I gave a lengthy list of other elements of Phyre's character that raised the question of whether "they" were actually a transgender person. I won't repeat it here, you can read for yourself.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/532790/discussions/0/4634862385195156688/
If you don't want to discuss this matter, why not just leave the thread and let those who want to discuss it, do so? By now, it is your dogged insistence that nobody should be discussing it is becoming very suspicious - "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Ah, that's where you might be a bit too optimistic.
"Full DEI", as you call it, is not necessarily about presenting a full spectrum of options. It is about focusing on specific marginal options.
For example, why do you think the developers don't call their character male or female? They could easily have done so, but they didn't. Instead, they insist that the character is "masculine or feminine presenting", and a "they", but not a "he" or "she".
They have actually made distinct models for the "masc" and "fem" protagonist, but they seem to have gone out of their way to make the "fem" protagonist look masculine or androgynous rather than feminine.
And of course they have no in-game lore reason for it, because by their own account Phyre is a 200+ year old vampire, and as such would be extremely certain of his or her gender identity, since the modern trans/pronoun debacle simply didn't exist two centuries ago.
So it must have been a conscious decision on their part, as is the continued insistence on this terminology in their public statements.
I agree with the second part but not the first. Because making you play a "masculine" or "femimine" "presenting" "they" character, instead of being able to play a male or female character, to my mind, is precisely up the alley of DEI's actual goals, i.e. mainstreaming of marginal identities.
If that were the case, the issue probably wouldn't arise in the first place. Everybody would play the character type they want to play.
Yes, that seems to be the common approach among game developers, film producers etc. nowadays. If the audience didn't like it, it's the audience's fault because they are "phobic" of something. Gets quite tiring by now.
u should get real, this is ending. it's not a real circus, only in ur head.