THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IN THE oTTOMAN eMPIRE

[IMMORTAL]

Paradox is obliged to tell and show in the game the events that took place in Western Armenia. Tell us about the Armenian Genocide in the ottoman empire, which was carried out by the turks and kurds.

Paradox обязаны рассказать и показать в игре события которые творились в Западной Армении. Рассказать про Геноцид Армян в османской империи который провели турки и кюрды.

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The Silver Santana původně napsal:

The Iron Sheik původně napsal:

What do you get out of genociding video game characters? You're not going to learn anything new and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are going to play just to genocide to get their rocks off. Go play that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ethnic Cleansing game if you want to do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like that.

The point isn't that the player wants to simulate this. It's that there actually is something to be said of countries who, as a consequence of their policies or as a policy itself, commit mass murder. Victoria 3 is about the management of politics, and population, and demographics-and what drives one demographic or another to violence is a huge part of that.

If the game avoids all unfortunate topics, then all forms of terrorism, repression, and yes genocide will be missing from a period that is, in fact, almost defined by this-a period of empire in all it's glory and gory horror. What's more problematic, ignoring genocide and viewing the conquest of the world as a joyous event of progress and learning-or accepting the hideous consequences that the European powers conveniently ignored?

We already know about all of these attrocities. They're not going to add genocide n a historical game because then losers will flock to it trying to recreate them for their pleasure.

[Vurt]

The Iron Sheik původně napsal:

Darken původně napsal:

I fully agree that there should be events demonstrating atrocities that happened, but due to the current sensitivity Paradox have shown themselves as completely unwilling to portray history as it was. If they didn't give the Holocaust the coverage it deserved in HOI4 then unfortunately I doubt they'll do that in Victoria 3.
Worst case scenario is that they take the easy option of just having Armenian culture provinces in the region being Turkic right at the start of the game.
Now that would be insulting.

Or they don't want to attract even more edgelords who'll get off on commiting genocides.

If they were willing to display it in victoria 2 and more recently stellaris(where you can genocide an entire galaxy and then bathe it in fire)

why not include it here?

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Vurticus původně napsal:

The Iron Sheik původně napsal:

Or they don't want to attract even more edgelords who'll get off on commiting genocides.

If they were willing to display it in victoria 2 and more recently stellaris(where you can genocide an entire galaxy and then bathe it in fire)

why not include it here?

Stellaris doesn't have racial minorities or real religions. It has aliens, plant people, necroids, fish people. Way to try and pick a game that doesn't help your cause. Victoria 2 had like one option, right? The trail of tears which was less about genocide and just the forced relocation of Indians. Base game doesn't have genocide.

[Vurt]

I could have sworn there was an event in victoria 2 for certain governments to commit genocide.

If I am wrong I apologise.

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Vurticus původně napsal:

I could have sworn there was an event in victoria 2 for certain governments to commit genocide.

If I am wrong I apologise.

It's a mod

[Vurt]

As a side note I am not trying to come off as hostile, but right now you seem aggresive instead of trying to have a discussion.

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Vurticus původně napsal:

As a side note I am not trying to come off as hostile, but right now you seem aggresive instead of trying to have a discussion.

Just tired off people whining about a video game that hasn't come out and demanding that they are allowed to genocide people or the game is leftist propaganda and that they are "denying history".

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The Iron Sheik původně napsal:

..Losers will flock to it trying to recreate them for their pleasure.

It seems like you are the one with the problem. People did do bad things in history. If you are playing a historical strategy you too should have the potential to do bad things or to react against the bad things.
I don't much care if some greasy dude is giggling behind his monitor as he shuts down churches in the Soviet Union in a game. Its historically accurate so it should be in.

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Darken původně napsal:

It seems like you are the one with the problem. People did do bad things in history. If you are playing a historical strategy you too should have the potential to do bad things or to react against the bad things.
I don't much care if some greasy dude is giggling behind his monitor as he shuts down churches in the Soviet Union in a game. Its historically accurate so it should be in.

What a clown

[RodHull]

None of these games are historical accuracy simulators and never have been. You can certainly mod them and play them in that way if you desire, but even the older versions always stayed away from the more unpleasant aspects of history, mostly out of respect for people who you know actually died, than anything to do with 'woke leftists'

You might get off recreating history just so you can smugly feel all good about yourself how you are 'sticking it to the SJWs' as you commit historically accurate genocide. I think PDS is more along the lines of most developers, its just a bit distasteful to make games about such events even if it is accurate or even respectfully done. Unless the game is literally focusing on such a thing (like this war of mine for example) including the horrific events and outcomes of events like wars and genocide is just crass.

This has always been the case, even in older games like the original Close Combat titles it didn't touch on anything to do with Nazis or genocide (for obvious reasons) Germans were just Germans.

It is nothing to do with wokeness its just basic human respect

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RodHull původně napsal:

None of these games are historical accuracy simulators and never have been. You can certainly mod them and play them in that way if you desire, but even the older versions always stayed away from the more unpleasant aspects of history, mostly out of respect for people who you know actually died, than anything to do with 'woke leftists'

You might get off recreating history just so you can smugly feel all good about yourself how you are 'sticking it to the SJWs' as you commit historically accurate genocide. I think PDS is more along the lines of how most developers view such events, its just a bit distasteful to make games about such events even if it is accurate or even respectfully done. Unless the game is literally focusing on such a thing (like this war of mine for example) including the horrific events and outcomes of events like wars and genocide is just crass.

This has always been the case, even in older games like the original Close Combat titles it didn't touch on anything to do with Nazis or genocide (for obvious reasons) Germans were just Germans.

It is nothing to do with wokeness its just basic human respect

No game company wants to willingly invite neo-nazis or tankies to their games. Stellaris had a mod that allowed you to make your people only white and some people got upset when it got removed.

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The Iron Sheik původně napsal:

Stellaris had a mod that allowed you to make your people only white and some people got upset when it got removed.

I still don't quite get what was so wrong with that mod. If someone wanted to make a civ that are descendants of say people from Iceland then why should they be forced to have their phenotype be of the whole spectrum of human genetics?
Granted, I however would have preferred if the mod allowed you to choose a civ phenotype and not a specific one.

Regardless, having every single human civ be of every single phenotype is just bland. Especially since monarchic civs didn't really have any rhyme or reason to their heir phenotype.
Sure having the scientists, generals and governors have a variety of phenotypes made more sense but the aristocracy? Really?
At least have the option to pick a dominant phenotype so that the game isn't so oddly uniform. But at least human civs had some variety in their language, you probably would be defending them if they decided not to put language differences.