NieR:Automata™

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Tregarde Apr 14, 2017 @ 6:07am
Speculation: What happens after Ending E? (spoilers, obviously)
The endless cycle of war between Android and Machine has been broken. Our heroes have been uploaded to new bodies. Despite the odds, Nier: Automata had a happy ending... or did it?

The chances of Yoko Taro making a direct sequel are almost zero, that’s just not his style. So let us speculate what happens after final ending E.

Let’s start with what we know for sure. YoRHa is destroyed. The core of The Machine network has left Earth. As the Ark is leaving, a scene shows us The Resistance members looking up, and another shows Pascal also watching. Then we see several Pods while 042 and 153 chat, then 2B, 9S, and A2.

It seems reasonable to say that there is a Pod Network in effect, possibly the only functional network left. Presumably, the Pods would continue their basic mission of being helpful, though they may be more autonomous than they were before since there is no YoRHa to direct them, and they are gaining independent sentience. Given time, the Pods/Network could become a powerful force.

042 and 153 say that the entire memories of our heroes had been uploaded into the new bodies. Assuming that is true...

A2 is a survivor, she’ll be fine. Now that she’s no longer being hunted, she’ll probably join Anemone and the former Resistance camp.

2B/E and 9S is where things get tricky. With 2B/E it depends if she can overcome her order to execute 9S. Remember, the last thing she said when A2 killed her was “take care of 9S” - this could be interpreted two ways: one would be to help 9S, but after learning the truth about 2E, it becomes possible she meant “take care of” as “kill.”

9S is the real hard one. When we last saw him, I would call it fair to say he had gone insane after learning everything he believed in were lies. Would he be able to overcome the many blows to his psyche? Or would he lash out (possibly attacking 2B), or run away? Assuming the boy doesn’t get himself killed, he’s going to need a lot of therapy.

It’s certainly implied that our heroes are the last YoRHa units left. But isn’t it possible there are others scattered around? There were the two drug addicts by the oil field, 4S in the castle - they may have escaped the logic virus since it seems units in the field are not always connected to the network.

What of the YoRHa units that were infected? If any of them survived, did The Machine core deactivate the virus when it left, or are they still out for blood (or oil, or whatever)? If the virus was deactivated, are the units’ memories still intact? Or, did The Machine do a ‘mercy killing’ on the way out?

With the Machines it’s a similar situation - how many are left? Of those that were still connected to the Network, are they now free of being psycho killers? Are any who had disconnected from the Network previously still left (besides Pascal)?

We saw people in the Resistance Camp watching the Ark launch. As the Resistance was composed of older, pre-YoRHa androids, any survivors should be fine. Depending how many Machines are left, they could now be the dominant force on Earth.

Speaking of older models... it is implied that Devola and Popola died at The Tower. But isn’t it possible that, against the odds, they managed to survive, or could be repaired and reactivated? It’s also possible there could be more Emils scattered around the globe.

My guess what happens after - A2 makes her way to the Resistance camp and starts helping out. There is no need for a ‘resistance’ anymore, so they relocate to somewhere they can set up a proper base of operations. After realizing the war and YoRHa is over, unit 2 doesn’t want to be an executioner anymore, and decides to be just 2B. 9S is broken inside and unstable. It’s about 50/50 whether he runs, or just sits and does nothing. Devola and Popola are able to be repaired, and with their help 9S slowly gets better (he certainly won’t trust 2B any time soon). Pascal’s memory may have been wiped, but the ‘heart’ is still there, and so becomes a leader for peaceful Machines. The Pod Network becomes a major form of long distance communication between individuals and groups. There are still some hold-outs who cling to the old conflict, and there are some who have selfish motivations, both Machine and Android - so it is not an entirely peaceful era, but overall it’s an era of rebuilding and establishing a new society.

And who knows... maybe, some time in the future, the society would have advanced enough to create an android called Accord, and send her back, across multiple timelines to observe.
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Tooru Apr 14, 2017 @ 8:12am 
My guess is things work out in the end. You had to fight the game creators themselves to avoid the bleak ending you didn't want to see, after all.

Like you mentioned, A2 is both used to individual action and a survivor. Just before the machines in Pascal's village go berserk she seemed to be warming up to them and seeing there's some good in the world after all. Once she realizes the war is finally over with the machines leaving for the moon, she'll probably work with the remaining androids in making the world a less hostile place for both androids and any friendly machines that got left behind. As for whether hostile machines still exist with the network and N1 gone... who knows? Some will be idle, some will be capable of independent thought like Pascal. The latter could keep up fighting, but without the network they shouldn't be an organized threat.

2B and 9S should be fine. 9S did go off the deep end but in his final moments in ending D, he got himself together after Adam's words. Losing 2B was the trigger to his descent into madness, so being in a new, well-mantained body and her presence should fix most of his issues. His vendetta against A2 should also be rendered meaningless over 2B's survival and I can't see her stick around them anyway.

2B's Executioner days should be well behind her. Endings A and B show her being consumed by remorse and actually feeling relief at 9S's eventual survival. In her short path through route C she shows genuine affection for him (even tries to protect him from the Yorha in the flight units), so I think her last request to A2 was heartfelt. She also finally calls him Nines, for what it's worth. And it's her memories that make A2 hesitate in the end and give 9S an opening to kill her, so I'd say she'll be fine too.

They're on their own now, but they're not alone. They can choose and work towards whatever future they like. They don't have a purpose anymore, but they can choose to find a new one.

In short, they're free.
Deus_nsf Apr 14, 2017 @ 9:27am 
free free ? arent the pods supposed to restart the YoRHa program like they were programmed to ?
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dudex Apr 14, 2017 @ 9:38am 
its hard to tell what happens next because

u dont know how much of the machine netword is left on earth. my guess is there is enough left to control the machines and they continue their war with the androids.

also u never saw the android command and if losing yorha even matters to them. (remember that older yorha models were seen as a disposable resource to them). they might just make another "yorha" to start a war with the machines again.

the main characters will just be hunted down by newer android models or be pulled back into the endless war between the machine network and android command.
Last edited by dudex; Apr 14, 2017 @ 9:39am
Peshmerga Apr 14, 2017 @ 2:44pm 
Does nobody read the Weapon Stories? Check the story for the Emil Heads. Check the date. 1,000 years into the future. Machines regain the anti-gravity technology. The Emil clone sees a female dressed in black, remarks something familiar about her.

The war continues.
Reizie Apr 14, 2017 @ 9:07pm 
I agree that the war continues, even if the war is just moping up stray machines. Don't forget we still have the androids that came up with the YoRHa project, they are surely still around cause there isn't any indication that they are now gone. The Next Generation Preservation Project Preparartion Committee I believe they were called from an archive doc (Gestalt Report 11) in the game. They might play a major role in the events to come, if the machines manage to re-establish their network I think the androids would probably re-establish their chain of command as well.
HassleDuff Apr 14, 2017 @ 9:23pm 
Originally posted by Tregarde:
And who knows... maybe, some time in the future, the society would have advanced enough to create an android called Accord, and send her back, across multiple timelines to observe.

Why am I getting a "Planet of the Apes" vibe out of this outcome?
an idiot Apr 16, 2017 @ 11:56pm 
I think the sequel will be Humanity actually make a comeback somehow. From it's genom on the moon, making the gestalt project actually successful
Tregarde Apr 17, 2017 @ 7:10pm 
Originally posted by HassleDuff:
Originally posted by Tregarde:
And who knows... maybe, some time in the future, the society would have advanced enough to create an android called Accord, and send her back, across multiple timelines to observe.

Why am I getting a "Planet of the Apes" vibe out of this outcome?

That's a connection I hadn't thought of. The reference was to the character in Drakengard 3.
John Shortcut Jul 4, 2017 @ 5:22am 
My take is that A2, 9S and 2B stick together in the end. They have nowhere to go other than the resistance camp, and they're free to do as they please. So it makes sense they'll decide to help the other remaining androids rebuild.

>A2 surely wishes to stick with Anemone, and after sharing memories with 2B, I'm sure they'll have formed a sort of bond.

>2B's directives were to eradicate machines and 9S when required, and both have no meaning anymore, now that the machine network and project YoRHa are no more.

>9S really lost it, but in both Endings C and D we see either him being saved/cured by A2, or "leaving" with Adam and Eve, but even if we wish to follow from Ending D instead of C, 92 still says that he has no reason to hate machines and wonders if he ever did. So: No enemy machines, no YoRHa to take revenge on, and ends up reunited with 2B = no reason why he wouldn't find stick with 2B (whom he loves) and A2 (who ultimately carried 2B's memories and is why she survived)

So that's why I'm sure they stick together to help the resistance rebuild and prosper for whatever the future awaits for them.

>>>>>On the other hand:

>Both in Endings C and D, the Tower/Ark is destroyed (Nevermind the "Machine Memories" since they make it clear they'll never return to Earth) and the Machine Network as we know it ceases to exist. Leaving all remaining machines free of their directives of eradicating the Androids, therefore gaining free will and probably following the same path of the other machine independent groups, like the ones in The Forest Kingdom and Pascal's Village (minus the tragedies, of course).

All of this, that is, until roughly a few centuries in the future, since we know (According to the Emil Heads weapon story) that the machine network has managed to rebuild itself and regain gravity-controlling technology. New machines could be created, and the existing independent ones could be once again forced to join the network and therefore be controlled (or simply subdued or erased, which hopefully our heroes will fight to prevent. Seeing how the network fought itself over destroying the Androids or not in A2's route, we know there's still chance for conflict even though the Machine Network that left in the Arc moved on from fighting the Androids/Humanity)

>Two more important bits of data: #1: The Human Data Storage Facility on the moon (NOT to be confused with the Communications Server made to fool androids with false transmissions) remains intact with data about Humanity, Project Gestalt, Genetic Data of Gestalts and Structural data of Replicants, among a lot of other things. Gravity-controlling tech could enable Machines (Or Androids, if they seize it) to reach the moon once again and retrieve said data. In the case of Androids, this would be essential if they desired to restore the Replicant System with the Gestalts' data, or try something new. If more Devola and Popola android pairs were to be found, it could be possible to restore the Replicant system (which would obviously benefit both parties after all)

And lastly, #2: Remember that the YoRHa Project was just that: A project. Just like A2 was an experimental android to gather data for the YoRHa project, this in turn was also a step towards the next generation of androids (Which is why any trace of YoRHa/The Bunker was meant to be erased, just like A2 and her team) and just like we never knew precisely how Devola and Popola arranged new "births" for Replicants in the first NieR since there was a whole system behind it unknown to everyone else, we also don't know exactly who or what is in charge of that new generation of androids, but we know it/they exist somewhere else.

So, to summarize: A2, 2B and 9S stick together alongside the resistance in order to rebuild, until centuries in the future, the machine network restores itself, 2B meets an Emil once again, and.. Something happens. And during that time, or before that, the next-gen Androids show up. How that will affect the heroes, I don't know. But they could always blend in within the Resistance, so. A lot of things could Happen.

Ddudu Jul 4, 2017 @ 6:26am 
While we are on the subject of endings, is there a way to view the endings and other cutscenes I've unlocked without going through the battles again?
xMGMx Jul 5, 2017 @ 3:55am 
You think YoRHa directed PODs? They're actualy 3rd party observers of project, controlled by android network that is still intact. Mashine network still present aswell just "seeds" was sent to explore universe.
Big Boom Boom Jul 5, 2017 @ 6:34am 
There's a short stage play of after ending E. Basically A2 woke up after 2B cried about moar corez- wrong topic, and then nobody knows what happened after that. The exact words.

2B VA is cute.
You have missed something
A2,2B and 9S did survived,but only 2B and A2 recovered their memories while 9S lost his
They talked about this in the NieR concert
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Date Posted: Apr 14, 2017 @ 6:07am
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