UBOAT
Ruca Oct 11, 2021 @ 8:47am
Use of Adjust Ballast Option?
Herr Kaleun,

I have played various versions of the game and with the latest big update I thought this time it would become available but I still can´t use the "Adjust Ballast". That option shows up once I dive but it´s allways grayed out and I can´t use it.
So I come here asking:
What are the conditions for that option to become usable?
...or...
Is this feature still not available in game and it´s there just waiting for specific content?
Is it related with some other option that I´m missing?
May be some sort of bug?
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McDewgle Oct 11, 2021 @ 8:55am 
The 'Adjust Ballast' command will order your ballast tanks to be trimmed to neutral buoyancy.

Condition: You are below 200 meters depth, your bilge pump cannot operate against pressures higher than 20 atmospheres and so it has 100% efficiency loss.

You have 50m³ of flooding on board. You have stopped the leak but you are still sinking so you adjust your ballasts. The chief blows exactly 50m³ worth of water out of your primary ballast tanks.

50m³ of flooding inside the pressure hull
50m³ of water removed from the ballast tanks
= neutral buoyancy.
Last edited by McDewgle; Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:19am
McDewgle Oct 11, 2021 @ 8:56am 
You can also use 'Adjust Ballast' in lieu of the bilge pump if you're trying to avoid detection. The bilge pump is loud as balls. Hissing some air into your ballast tanks? Nice and quiet.
McDewgle Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:07am 
But now I have to learn you a thing or two about Boyle's law and physics..

Your ballast tanks have holes located at the bottom of the tanks that are completely open to the sea.. When diving the boat, the crew of the u-boat open 'vents' located at the top of the tanks. When these vents are open, the water pressure forces all of the air up and out of the ballast tanks.

This is like poking holes in the bottom of a milk jug and pushing it down into a bucket of water. The cap at the top keeps the air trapped inside. But as soon as you remove the cap, water comes flooding in and all the trapped air rushes out through the top. That's u-boat ballast tanks in a nutshell.

Now we get into the interesting physics..

Say you're 200 meters where there is approximately 20 atm of pressure. You squeak a little air into the ballast tanks, expelling about 10m³ worth of water out of the total 155m³ that your ballast tanks hold. This gives you positive buoyancy and you begin to rise. Your ballast tanks now hold 145m³ of water.

As you rise, the pressure outside the boat begins to drop from 20atm. As the pressure drops, the trapped air inside your ballast tanks begins to expand. As it expands, it begins to push more water out. As it pushes more water out, you become more buoyant.

By the time you reach the surface your ballast tanks went from holding 145m³ worth of water to being completely empty. Why? Because you pushed 10m³ worth of air into a tank that was under 20atm of pressure. But on the surface, at 1atm of pressure the trapped air has expanded 20 times.

TLDR: If you adjust your ballasts, you will need to adjust your ballasts AGAIN if you change your depth every 5-10 meters because your buoyancy will change.
Royal Raven Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:10am 
There is a mod called Improved Ballast Control, give you some more manual control over ballast. The mod also makes the Deck Awash work right.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2303529052

It is also included in Iron Coffins mod, so do not sub to both if you have Iron Coffins.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2421790822
Ruca Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:39am 
Thank you all for replying.
Royal Raven,
Thanks for the sugestion already tried and had issues and from that mod or another one, I don´t know for sure, I had to start a new campaign because somehow it has corrupted the game and it wouldn´t load save files without crashing and not even the backup I made and file verification fixed it so I´m now using only the TDC mod as it helps quite a lot my play style with manual solutions.

McDewgle,
Very explanatory, thank you.
In short, that means my game does not have any issue and just happens I did not got to the situation of sinking down into the deep red that is when it becomes available?
So, the use of "Adjust Ballast" it´s just for situations when we are without any other option except sinking and that may act as a last resort Emergency "Blow the Tanks!" to save the Boat and crew?
Royal Raven Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:46am 
Yeah you have to start a new game. I would wait until you are ready to start a new game to add the mod.

Originally posted by Ruca PT:
Thank you all for replying.
Royal Raven,
Thanks for the sugestion already tried and had issues and from that mod or another one, I don´t know for sure, I had to start a new campaign because somehow it has corrupted the game and it wouldn´t load save files without crashing and not even the backup I made and file verification fixed it so I´m now using only the TDC mod as it helps quite a lot my play style with manual solutions.

McDewgle,
Very explanatory, thank you.
In short, that means my game does not have any issue and just happens I did not got to the situation of sinking down into the deep red that is when it becomes available?
So, the use of "Adjust Ballast" it´s just for situations when we are without any other option except sinking and that may act as a last resort Emergency "Blow the Tanks!" to save the Boat and crew?
You need to make sure you also subscribe to Custom Actions mod so it can work right.
Royal Raven Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:47am 
Who knows it might need a new save game.
McDewgle Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by Ruca:
McDewgle,
Very explanatory, thank you.
In short, that means my game does not have any issue and just happens I did not got to the situation of sinking down into the deep red that is when it becomes available?
So, the use of "Adjust Ballast" it´s just for situations when we are without any other option except sinking and that may act as a last resort Emergency "Blow the Tanks!" to save the Boat and crew?

In short, the reason 'adjust ballasts' is grayed out for you is because you don't have a reason to use it. If you had flooding on board, then you could use 'adjust ballasts' to compensate by blowing the equivalent amount of water out of your ballast tanks.

50m³ of flooding on board
minus
50m³ of water from ballast tanks
= neutral buoyancy
McDewgle Oct 11, 2021 @ 9:57am 
And to repeat myself, 'adjust ballasts' would be useful if

A) you were too deep to use the bilge pump
B) you don't want to run the bilge pump because it's too loud

The 'adjust ballasts' option is only available if there is flooding on board and it's purpose is to restore you back to neutral buoyancy WITHOUT pumping the bilge water out.

If you adjust your ballasts and then pump the bilge water out with your bilge pump, you will have a positive buoyancy.

If you adjust your ballasts and ascend to a shallower depth? The air inside your ballast tanks will expand, pushing more water out, making you more buoyant. This is why IF you adjust your ballasts, you will have to adjust them AGAIN every time you change depth, about every 10 meters.

If you adjust your ballast and rise my 10 meters? The gas inside the ballast tanks will expand, pushing more water out, making you more buoyant. If you descend by 10 meters? The gas inside your ballast tanks will shrink allowing more water into the tanks which will give you a negative buoyancy.

I really need to make a video for this.
DECAFBAD Oct 11, 2021 @ 12:33pm 
This is also a good explanation for why submarines can't effectively float in one place. When floating, any air in the ballast tank is going to be compressed by the smallest error, causing more water to enter the tank, decreasing buoyancy, causing the boat to fall faster.
Similar to rolling off a cliff. In order to float the crew has to actively pump water in and out of the ballasts continuously.

An exception is when the submarine is laid down on a thermocline, because the salinity and density is higher there, and subs can float on top of that layer. This was not done in WW2 of course.
Lipi Oct 25, 2021 @ 9:37am 
Originally posted by McDewgle:
And to repeat myself, 'adjust ballasts' would be useful if

A) you were too deep to use the bilge pump
B) you don't want to run the bilge pump because it's too loud

The 'adjust ballasts' option is only available if there is flooding on board and it's purpose is to restore you back to neutral buoyancy WITHOUT pumping the bilge water out.

If you adjust your ballasts and then pump the bilge water out with your bilge pump, you will have a positive buoyancy.

If you adjust your ballasts and ascend to a shallower depth? The air inside your ballast tanks will expand, pushing more water out, making you more buoyant. This is why IF you adjust your ballasts, you will have to adjust them AGAIN every time you change depth, about every 10 meters.

If you adjust your ballast and rise my 10 meters? The gas inside the ballast tanks will expand, pushing more water out, making you more buoyant. If you descend by 10 meters? The gas inside your ballast tanks will shrink allowing more water into the tanks which will give you a negative buoyancy.

I really need to make a video for this.

Is negative adjusting of ballasts implemented? It wasn't appearing on my valve options. I adjusted ballasts to maintain level depth, but then once I went up to 50 meters and pumped out the water, in a few secs I surfaced without any control of diveplanes. At that time there should be an option to "adjust ballast" again so that the ballasts will now fill up to compensate for the pumped out water. I had to fix this by ordering "blow tanks", which instantly made me go into "surface mode", then dove again afresh.

Not before taking three hits to my conning tower which eventually cost me 4 pieces of repair parts.
McDewgle Oct 25, 2021 @ 9:56am 
@Lipi, AFIK you can adjust your ballasts as many times as you need to maintain neutral buoyancy. As described in my comments above, when you 'adjust ballast', you're blowing a little bit of air into your ballast tanks to push out just the proper amount of water to return to neutral buoyancy.

But when you ascended to 50 meters, the air you squeaked into the ballast tanks began to expand, forcing more water out which gave you more buoyancy and you popped out of the water like a cork. This is hydrophysics.

So when you adjust your ballasts for the first time, you are now required to adjust your ballasts again each time you change your depth because of the pressure differential.

If you adjust your ballasts and then ascend 10 meters? You will become positively buoyant.

If you adjust your ballast and then descend 10 meters? You will become negatively buoyant.

Please test this out for me:
  • Submerge to 100 meters, open your console and type "Leak"
  • Allow yourself to become -10% buoyant (and repair the leak)
  • Adjust your ballasts for neutral buoyancy at 100 meters
  • Ascend until you have +5% buoyancy
  • Attempt to adjust your ballast again

The 'adjust ballast' option will most likely become unavailable if you are neutrally buoyant or surfaced. But it should be available if you have a positive or negative buoyancy while submerged.
Last edited by McDewgle; Oct 25, 2021 @ 9:57am
DECAFBAD Oct 25, 2021 @ 11:39am 
You can only adjust the main ballast tanks once in UBOAT. For subsequent adjustments you'd need to flood the tanks first, but then you run out of compressed air really fast.

I vaguely remember reading a story where a submarine was damaged from a depth charge, but managed to stop the leak. While dropping, they attempted to cancel out the water on board by blowing air into the bow main ballast, but they overcorrected. The bow raised enough to cause the water to flow to the back thus raising the bow even more, causing the sub to rapidly surface. The sub ended being captured by three corvettes. Unfortunately I don't even know which navies were involved and during which war this happened, so I can't find the source for this.

Another issue would be that flooding a partially blown ballast tank underwater would cause a large amount of bubbles to appear at the surface, giving away the position to nearby sub hunters.

There is an unfortunate quirk, or bug in UBOAT all of you should be aware of if you want to "adjust the ballast": in the command room you can only broadcast the "Blow ballast tanks" command, the "Flood ballast tanks" command has to be given directly to an officer, as it can only be broadcast while surfaced.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2637107046

By selecting Klaus Graf, I can flood the tanks underwater:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2637107110
Last edited by DECAFBAD; Oct 25, 2021 @ 11:54am
McDewgle Oct 25, 2021 @ 12:06pm 
Ah! Thank you, I think I remember now!

I believe using the Improved Ballast Control or Iron Coffins mod fixes that issue and allows you to repeatedly use the 'adjust ballast' option.
Red_Seven_ Oct 25, 2021 @ 12:10pm 
Originally posted by McDewgle:
The 'adjust ballast' option will most likely become unavailable if you are neutrally buoyant or surfaced.
That's true. It isn't available on neutral with no flooding for example.
Originally posted by McDewgle:
But it should be available if you have a positive or negative buoyancy while submerged.
Yes it should, but it isn't without additional steps.
If you go by your example (leak, repair, adjust) you get to 0% buoyancy at the depth you're currently at. This includes additional depth you gain through the negative buoyancy temporarily caused by the leak. If you hit adjust at 110m (after the repair) you'll sink further to e.g. 150m and level there.
From there you can go deeper (and loose buoyancy) or go up (and gain it) but the option to adjust again won't reappear.

Some strange behaviour of the whole ballast tank system also includes:
1. When you adjust the tanks before a leak is actually repaired you will level the boat to the amount of soaked water at the time of adjusting and not to anything that comes in addittionally e.g. you soaked 20m³ and hit adjust, the tanks will be blown to equal those 20m³. If you soak another 20m³, 40m³ or whatever amount of water isn't considered.
2. When you leak->repair->adjust and float at a certain depth and then take another leak the option to adjust won't come back again. You'll only be able to regularly blow the tanks or emrgency blow (if applicable). A regular blow in this case does pretty much nothing as it obviously is just the standard (minimal) blow to surface the boat.
After a regular blow in this case, the boat is set to climb to 0m/'surface-level'. When you now set another desired depth manually the option to adjust now appears again...

I'd say WTF?!
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