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Why is this game so dead
I wish there was more people playing this glorious game..

Even with the humble bundle I dont see many servers filled up. maybe 5 or so
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Jackson 21. Apr. 2014 um 21:20 Uhr 
You live in the US, there are plenty of servers in there. Try to modify some stuff in your server browser (ping limits to 150+ and so on...). You'll see more servers available.

Then, why is the game dead?
- Not a very popular game
- Not much advertising
- Solid playerbase but not rookie-friendly
- Game isn't optimized and requires a good computer to work well, which basically means that there are not plenty of casual gamers, much more hardcore gamers
- The learning curve is steep, and the game is very difficult to master (it takes literally hundreds of hours)
- The difference between veterans, or pro players, and normal players or rookies is so large that newcomers get wrecked during their first games, which isn't fun, and they just don't come back.

But don't worry, even though there aren't many people who play this game, you'll always find someone to play with. There is an average of between 600 and 1000 players at the same time IG, and servers are quite small.
pRaX 21. Apr. 2014 um 23:19 Uhr 
Because the devs are still trying to get competitive and pub under one hood...

Oh and that the game is still badly optimized plays it's part too.
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NaliWarcow 22. Apr. 2014 um 12:51 Uhr 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von pRaX:
Because the devs are still trying to get competitive and pub under one hood...

Oh and that the game is still badly optimized plays it's part too.
Badly optimised in what matter.. I have yet to see any c2d etc? What if they just upped the spec requirmenets? :/
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There are lots of reasons but I think their ♥♥♥♥ engine is the main one, if they just done it on Soruce then it would have been a lot better.
[PBSr] ecoone 22. Apr. 2014 um 15:15 Uhr 
I liked NS1 a lot. I enjoyed NS2 for a time...but since a unknown time i cant shoot anymore. Its only this game. My rifle stops shooting. Like im lagging. I have a very good rig...its only this game. so i stoped.
Jackson summed it up quite well.
Bugsy 22. Apr. 2014 um 18:26 Uhr

That My Brothers and Sisters is why this game is dead.
IronHorse  [Entwickler] 22. Apr. 2014 um 21:47 Uhr 
The playerbase has remained ~1k players for many years now, nothing new occurring..

It can be a difficult game for today's typical gamer to get into, skill wise.
Sadly, I connect at a time during the night when it's sub 400. Steam doesn't even show active player count if it drops below 300.

Only weekend play do I actually get on when there are 600+.
Bubbles 23. Apr. 2014 um 5:43 Uhr 
The real reason this game has died is the anger and rudeness towards rookies. Help rookies and mentor them the player base increases. Get mad at them and they quit plus wont recommend it. Enough said.
Warforce17 23. Apr. 2014 um 7:49 Uhr 
Jackson has very well summarized the main problems of the game.
It is hard to learn and different skill levels become apparent very quickly resulting in frustrating games.

I still belive that a matchmaking system (organized play?!) which tries to balance teams would make the game more fun for beginners as well as more advanced players. Here some might shout out that "the rookies will not learn the right way to play" but in the end I would say that the new players should just be able to have fun against evenly skilled players without the need to aquire movement mechanics such as wall jumping. If after some hours a rookie does some research [youtube] and aquires these skills, he can then advance within the game by playing better players.

Look at the Stockholm games which were casted by blind:

Be warned it is a two hour game but it seems like the players still had fun.
Why dont we make this experience avaible to all rookies and beginners in NS2?

The population seems to have decreased over time from my players perspective.
I dont have the numbers so I cannot tell for sure and the steam charts do not look very encouraging for me. However, the game is still very much playable for those who can launch and run it!
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While playing long ago, all these "pro" players ♥♥♥♥♥ at the new players...
I've seen it many times. It's not the reason I do not play, the reason is, I just have a lot of games to play and I do not know which to pick....
Jackson 24. Apr. 2014 um 18:02 Uhr 
I agree that not all the veterans are kind to rookies, but it's not because they're bad guys who think they're better than everyone else with their 31:3 KDR.
The thing is that there is so much to teach to rookies about the game that one veteran could LITERALLY spend HOURS teaching to a rookie some basic knowledge so he could improve. Some did. Some still do.
One problem is that most of the time, rookies aren't that willing to learn or to listen to what is said to them, or they just don't bother.
Another problem is that there are so many newbies for so few veterans willing to teach. A vet' can (really) teach to 5 to 6 rookies, maybe? but there are still waves of rookies coming. A vet can't be patient all the time, can't spend his playtime telling everyone what to do. Some are kind do this often, but most just don't bother anymore, they're annoyed of repeating the same things over and over again, so they become ... bitter.
One last problem veterans have is that they also play with other pros' or vets', so their expectations are really high concerning the game. When one guy does thing just soooo bad, they sometimes rage, because what is natural for them isn't for others. But it's hard to think that something you are used to, as a vet, and which became like commone sense for you (priority of targets, wall jumping, ambush, positions, taking nanogrid ...) isn't commen sense for everyone.

I talk from a personal point of view. Yes I am patient, yes I like to teach what I know to rookies, yes I sometimes talk a lot with a rookie who added me on steam to teach him they "right" way to play NS2. But I can't just do that all night long, I often rage because I think people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ / can't aim, and yes I enjoy playing with other veterans more than with floor-walking skulks.
I mean ... not all veterans are bad guys. Most of them aren't, they've just become bitter (which is also why some left the game :D).

The fact that every game always ends up being so one sided is another factor.
Interzeroid 25. Apr. 2014 um 3:46 Uhr 
Well, I am rookie too. And this game needs big and understandable tutorial. It`s cool game, but without good tutorial this game will not be popular.
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