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Alex Mauer Jun 25, 2017 @ 3:10pm
Why is Starr Mazer: DSP still offline?
If the devs replaced the music and sound effects, why is the game offline?
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Mika Braghg Jun 25, 2017 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by jammeepler:
Originally posted by Viktorae:
some random guy -> See: Attorney.

Actually, He isn't directly representing Imagos so I'm not sure his being an attorney matters. I believe Sid Alpha cited it first so he must have gotten it from them.
more in reference to the fact that this guy actively studies, and practices, law.

But yes. it probably got passed from a game journalist who had covered the story prior.
TemmieNeko Jun 25, 2017 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:
Originally posted by jammeepler:
https://image.ibb.co/hjGHF5/image.png

*Edit* Fixed the link.

But this was from the only video to show the contract in full.

Weird. Some random guy from the internet has a copy of a document that appears to be a contract that possibly contains my social security number and possibly my signature? I don't know how comfortable I am with that. How did he get it?
it has all the info needed, your social was redacted in the original.
don't worry, nobody wants to steal your identity. You are going to wish someone would , after this Whirlwind hits.
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[MKS]Tao Jun 25, 2017 @ 7:58pm 
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:
Originally posted by jammeepler:
https://image.ibb.co/hjGHF5/image.png

*Edit* Fixed the link.

But this was from the only video to show the contract in full.

Weird. Some random guy from the internet has a copy of a document that appears to be a contract that possibly contains my social security number and possibly my signature? I don't know how comfortable I am with that. How did he get it?

I do not know how he got it, but I have a good guess:

The company you are quarreling with apparently has made a statement on this issue stating that they offer to send copies of the contract between you and that company to the people you have issued DMCA claims with to use as evidence with a counter them. Someone may have shared with the internet a copy that they received.

Honestly when I saw the redacted version I was curious that they would offer the personal info of former employees. At least that is illegal to do here in Canada.
Last edited by [MKS]Tao; Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:02pm
Mika Braghg Jun 25, 2017 @ 7:59pm 
Originally posted by MKSTao:
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:

Weird. Some random guy from the internet has a copy of a document that appears to be a contract that possibly contains my social security number and possibly my signature? I don't know how comfortable I am with that. How did he get it?

I do not know how he got it, but I have a good guess:

The company you are quarreling with apparently has made a statement on this issue, and has offered to send copies of the contract between you and that company to the people you have issued DMCA claims with to use as evidence to counter them. Someone may have shared a copy they receiver with the internet.

Honestly when I saw the redacted version I was curious that they would offer the personal info of former employees. At least that is illegal to do here in Canada.
Assuming that that's what they did.

It's very possible that they offered a redacted version of the contract.
Alex Mauer Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:00pm 
I explained why the game was taken offline a 3rd time. It was some sound effects that remained in the game after the devs supposedly replaced my sound effects. Removing the remaining sound effects should have been something that could be fixed within a day. How is it the game is still offline for this long?
[MKS]Tao Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:01pm 
Originally posted by Viktorae:
Originally posted by MKSTao:

I do not know how he got it, but I have a good guess:

The company you are quarreling with apparently has made a statement on this issue, and has offered to send copies of the contract between you and that company to the people you have issued DMCA claims with to use as evidence to counter them. Someone may have shared a copy they receiver with the internet.

Honestly when I saw the redacted version I was curious that they would offer the personal info of former employees. At least that is illegal to do here in Canada.
Assuming that that's what they did.

It's very possible that they offered a redacted version of the contract.

I seem to remember Leonard saying he did the redaction himself in that video, but I could be mistaken.
TemmieNeko Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:01pm 
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:
I explained why the game was taken offline a 3rd time. It was some sound effects that remained in the game after the devs supposedly replaced my sound effects. Removing the remaining sound effects should have been something that could be fixed within a day. How is it the game is still offline for this long?
Well I would say after somebody tried to remove my game off of Steam over and over ( and unlawfyully) That I would be hesitant to put it back up.
Did you create the Voice clips?
Mika Braghg Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:02pm 
Originally posted by MKSTao:
Originally posted by Viktorae:
Assuming that that's what they did.

It's very possible that they offered a redacted version of the contract.

I seem to remember Leonard saying he did the redaction himself in that video, but I could be mistaken.
whelp! it's the US. sharing social is a big corprate no-no, but that's... about it, last I checked.
jammeepler Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:04pm 
Originally posted by MKSTao:
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:

I asked for a contract for DSP and I wasn't given one. It's an impossibility that there is a contract as you describe.

Well if this is the case, the plot thickens.

I don't hold any malice towards you and imagine there is probably something missing to the story. However I must let you know that your DMCA claims against the Youtube channels are most likely illegal. Even if you do own the copyright, those channels are using it as minimum on the grounds of fair use. Further, they are using it under the impression that they have the right to do so by the copyright holder. If the game developer gives them assurances while being incorrect that they are the copyright holder, it isn't the fault of the Youtubers.

I highly recommend that you at least consult with a lawyer and at least get confirmations on the actions you have taken, and see what actions you are best to take.

Take care, and good luck

Gonna reiterate. You should see if you can find anyone to help you sort all this out pro bono hopefully. You should really reconsider your DMCA claims with the apparent lack of certainty of ownership in this situation.
Mika Braghg Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:06pm 
Originally posted by jammeepler:
Originally posted by MKSTao:

Well if this is the case, the plot thickens.

I don't hold any malice towards you and imagine there is probably something missing to the story. However I must let you know that your DMCA claims against the Youtube channels are most likely illegal. Even if you do own the copyright, those channels are using it as minimum on the grounds of fair use. Further, they are using it under the impression that they have the right to do so by the copyright holder. If the game developer gives them assurances while being incorrect that they are the copyright holder, it isn't the fault of the Youtubers.

I highly recommend that you at least consult with a lawyer and at least get confirmations on the actions you have taken, and see what actions you are best to take.

Take care, and good luck

Gonna reiterate. You should see if you can find anyone to help you sort all this out pro bono hopefully. You should really reconsider your DMCA claims with the apparent lack of certainty of ownership in this situation.

Not only that, assuming that you even DID hold the copyright, you still took down a number of videos that fell under fair use.

hire an attorney. don't try making youtubers do your dirtywork for you. it won't work.
Alex Mauer Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:06pm 
Originally posted by jammeepler:
Gonna reiterate. You should see if you can find anyone to help you sort all this out pro bono hopefully. You should really reconsider your DMCA claims with the apparent lack of certainty of ownership in this situation.

I had several lawyers assistance already. What made you think I didn't?
Blaze Henry Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:07pm 
All I can really say in this discussion is that it isn't much of a discussion. It's a sh*tshow designed to upset people. That said, it probably won't be long until the forum moderators close this. So for the sake of wrapping this up faster, I implore everyone that has a problem with this discussion (which is honestly everyone for good reason) to flag it for mods to see it sooner.
Mika Braghg Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:09pm 
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:
Originally posted by jammeepler:
Gonna reiterate. You should see if you can find anyone to help you sort all this out pro bono hopefully. You should really reconsider your DMCA claims with the apparent lack of certainty of ownership in this situation.

I had several lawyers assistance already. What made you think I didn't?
the waves of DMCA takedowns, and an attempt to hit Adult Swim's parent company kind of tipped me off.
Alex Mauer Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:11pm 
Originally posted by Viktorae:
Originally posted by MKSTao:

I seem to remember Leonard saying he did the redaction himself in that video, but I could be mistaken.
whelp! it's the US. sharing social is a big corprate no-no, but that's... about it, last I checked.

It's really bizarre that random people from the internet have a sensitive document like this. I also think it's bizarre that they're referring to it as a contract that covers DSP when there is no contract that mentions DSP.
[MKS]Tao Jun 25, 2017 @ 8:12pm 
Originally posted by Alex Mauer:
Originally posted by jammeepler:
Gonna reiterate. You should see if you can find anyone to help you sort all this out pro bono hopefully. You should really reconsider your DMCA claims with the apparent lack of certainty of ownership in this situation.

I had several lawyers assistance already. What made you think I didn't?

What makes most people make that assumption is that most possible scenarios that any of us can foresee, is that there are no legitimate (in a legal view) grounds to issue those claims. Leonard French (who is a copyright attorney) goes over some possibilities in his video with commentary on this issue.

If your own lawyers have advised you to take those actions, then our opinions on the matter are irrelevant.
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