Predynastic Egypt

Predynastic Egypt

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Valve, 2K and Pre-Civilization (our games are unavailable in store)
Dear players! The Valve has informed us, that they have received claims on behalf of 2K, Inc. that our games (Pre-Civilization Egypt, Pre-Civilization Marble Age) infringe 2K’s trademark for “Civilization.” And they have removed these games from the Steam store while this matter is under dispute.

We already contacted 2K representative regarding this mistake and we hope to resolve this issue soon. Why we think this is a mistake:
  1. We can’t find the registered trademark “Pre-Civilization” in attached XLS documents with registered 2K trademarks.
  2. In dictionaries and science literature it is an independent word meaning the time prior civilization (that exactly our games are about). http://www.yourdictionary.com/precivilization
  3. And we pointed out that for example Galactic Civilizations series may have the same problems with in future in this case.
We’ll keep you informed about this situation.
https://youtu.be/kdBXksKoiAo

Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5dxroe/2k_inc_and_precivilization_small_indie_dev_team/?ref=share&ref_source=link
最近の変更はclarusvictoriaが行いました; 2016年11月20日 4時20分
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Good luck!!! We need you.
moka 2016年11月19日 2時52分 
Incredible that such idiocy could have happened. Hope it will be solved soon, both games are completely different.

edit : Oh you're right about the 3rd. And there are other games with "civilization" in the name : Idle civilization, fall of civilization, lost civilization ? And that's just for the ones on steam. What about the ones on browser, facebook, etc.
最近の変更はmokaが行いました; 2016年11月19日 3時20分
Thank you for your support!
xoiben 2016年11月19日 3時26分 
That's outrageous. I hope your great little game is back very soon.
Oh c'mon! This is beyond loudicrous!
todder 2016年11月19日 6時46分 
What a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You cannot trademark a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ word, remember when the The Fine Bros tried to trademark the word react? You just literally cannot do that, you guys will get your game back on the store.
Yeah, also does anyone remember when Candy Crush Saga attempted to trademark word "saga" and tried to force Banner Saga remove the said word from its title?
Kronus 2016年11月19日 7時52分 
so does that mean that if CA decides to trademark the words ''total'' and ''war'' will steam censor ''war'' tagline because it's trademarked? What a bs thing from 2k
You got our support this is b*******
Good luck!
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You don't have a leg to stand on. Civilization has been a registered trademark for over 35 years now. There's been major fights over that name since the original Civ. Your letter above isn't going to do anything. It's not a mistake.

Putting a "pre" in front of it doesn't make it substantially different. That it is a common word doesn't mean that it can't be a trademark (ever hear of Apple?). If your case is that they haven't properly enforced it because they ignored Gal Civ then good luck to you in court. You have no idea if they've licensed or issued permission to Stardock to give their games that name.

If you named your game Egypt Total War do you think you'd get away with it? It appears that you tried riding the coattails on the Civ 6 release and you got slapped for it. If you didn't do this on purpose then you showed a startling lack of judgement. The same thing happened to Call to Power in the 90s. Microprose won then....Take Two will win now.

If you want your game back on Steam it's quite likely you're simply going to have to rename it. I'd suggest Egypt: Pre-Enlightenment.


最近の変更はBlackadarが行いました; 2016年11月19日 11時33分
Mother f***** even using that in the name to their other games for a couple years now that are clearly not civilization style hex games. Shove that then trying to ride the coattails of civilization 6 right up your ass
bridgeofblues の投稿を引用:
Mother f***** even using that in the name to their other games for a couple years now that are clearly not civilization style hex games. Shove that then trying to ride the coattails of civilization 6 right up your ass

It doesn't matter what style of game you make. You could make a 1st person shooter . If you call it Civilization Hunter you're going to get sued - and lose.

The law is the law, whether you like it or not. It'd tell you to shove it up yours but your head is in the way.
Sounds you support it Atrocious law. Where do you get the balls to say that they are trying to attach himself to civilization did you even play the f****** game did you beat it?
bridgeofblues の投稿を引用:
Sounds you support it Atrocious law. Where do you get the balls to say that they are trying to attach himself to civilization did you even play the f****** game did you beat it?

The law is what it is. Become an advocate if you want to change it but until the laws are rewritten those are the rules.

You wouldn't know how Civ 6 is. You haven't played it.
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